How to install packages? Scamper chicken and egg problem

> Hi there,
>
> I'm very new to Squeak, so this is probably just the result of me
> doing something dumb. I'm having a hard time installing any packages.
>
> Here's what I've done:
>
> 1. Downloaded and installed Squeak3.9-7067mac vm 3.8.18beta1U
>
> 2. Double-clicked on "Squeak3.9-final-7067.image" file. The Squeak VM
> started up just fine.
>
> 3. From the "Welcome to Squeak - an open Smalltalk system" window,
> clicked on "SMLoader open" to run the SqueakMap Package Loader.
>
> 4. Selected a package, any package.  Let's say "15-Puzzle (->1.1)",
> the first one in the list.
>
> 5. Clicked on the expansion arrow for "15-Puzzle (->1.1).
>
> 6. Clicked on the "1.1" subheading.
>
> 7. Clicked on the "Download:" link in the right-hand (description) window pane.
>
> 8. A pop-up window appeared: "Open a browser to view this URL?" Clicked "Yes".
>
> 9. A pop-up warning appeared: "There are no WebBrowser applications
> registered." Clicked "OK".
>
> 10. A pop-up window appeared: "Couldn't find a web browser. View page
> as source?" Clicked "Cancel".
>
> Hmmmm. OK, well, it is a bit surprising that the web browser isn't
> included in the base image, but never mind, I'll just install it
> first. I remember seeing somewhere that the browser is called
> "Scamper".
>
> 11. Scrolled down in SMLoader to "Scamper (->12)", clicked on
> expansion arrowhead, clicked on "12" subheading.
>
> 12. Copied "http://www.squeaksource.com/Scamper/Scamper-kfr.12.mcz"
> into my Firefox browser and download the file. (Did the "copy" by
> hand; could select the text of the filename, but couldn't Copy it.)
>
> 13. Put the "Scamper-kfr.12.mcz" file in the "Squeak3.9-7067mac vm
> 3.8.18beta1U" directory.
>
> 14. Flailed around, trying to figure out how to get Squeak to open the
> file. Eventually just drag-and-dropped the file onto the Squeak
> window.
>
> 15. A pop-up window appeared: "open in zip viewer / extract all to ...
> / load". Select "load" (it sounded like what I wanted).
>
> 16. A pop-up window appeared: "loading snapshot/source.st".
>
> Now we're getting somewhere! Or are we? Where is the browser? OK, it's
> loaded but not instantiated or something. I need to select it from one
> of Squeak's many browsers. Objects, maybe?
>
> 17. Clicked on the "objects" flap.
>
> 18. Clicked on "alphabetic".
>
> 19. Clicked on "s".
>
> 20. A window came up: "MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>parse:".
> First line in window is "UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> #parse.
>
> Um, that's not good. OK, I give. How do I install Scamper? Or any
> package, for that matter?
>
> TIA,
> John Koger

> Hi John,
> The fastes and and always workable steps to install Squeak packages are:
>
> 1. left click on Squeak desktop to get a popu menu and choose Open...
> 2. Choose SqueakMap Package Browser
> 3. Say Yes to "The map on this is more than 10 days old.", if this arise
> 4. Choose you package and click on arow to get its versions
> 5. Choose a version and right click to get popup
> 6. Choose Install
>
> So, from your description you missed the 5th and 6th step. I hope this
> will now help you install without problems.
>
> Janko
>
>
>
> John Koger wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I'm very new to Squeak, so this is probably just the result of me
> > doing something dumb. I'm having a hard time installing any packages.
> >
> > Here's what I've done:
> >
> > 1. Downloaded and installed Squeak3.9-7067mac vm 3.8.18beta1U
> >
> > 2. Double-clicked on "Squeak3.9-final-7067.image" file. The Squeak VM
> > started up just fine.
> >
> > 3. From the "Welcome to Squeak - an open Smalltalk system" window,
> > clicked on "SMLoader open" to run the SqueakMap Package Loader.
> >
> > 4. Selected a package, any package.  Let's say "15-Puzzle (->1.1)",
> > the first one in the list.
> >
> > 5. Clicked on the expansion arrow for "15-Puzzle (->1.1).
> >
> > 6. Clicked on the "1.1" subheading.
> >
> > 7. Clicked on the "Download:" link in the right-hand (description) window pane.
> >
> > 8. A pop-up window appeared: "Open a browser to view this URL?" Clicked "Yes".
> >
> > 9. A pop-up warning appeared: "There are no WebBrowser applications
> > registered." Clicked "OK".
> >
> > 10. A pop-up window appeared: "Couldn't find a web browser. View page
> > as source?" Clicked "Cancel".
> >
> > Hmmmm. OK, well, it is a bit surprising that the web browser isn't
> > included in the base image, but never mind, I'll just install it
> > first. I remember seeing somewhere that the browser is called
> > "Scamper".
> >
> > 11. Scrolled down in SMLoader to "Scamper (->12)", clicked on
> > expansion arrowhead, clicked on "12" subheading.
> >
> > 12. Copied "http://www.squeaksource.com/Scamper/Scamper-kfr.12.mcz"
> > into my Firefox browser and download the file. (Did the "copy" by
> > hand; could select the text of the filename, but couldn't Copy it.)
> >
> > 13. Put the "Scamper-kfr.12.mcz" file in the "Squeak3.9-7067mac vm
> > 3.8.18beta1U" directory.
> >
> > 14. Flailed around, trying to figure out how to get Squeak to open the
> > file. Eventually just drag-and-dropped the file onto the Squeak
> > window.
> >
> > 15. A pop-up window appeared: "open in zip viewer / extract all to ...
> > / load". Select "load" (it sounded like what I wanted).
> >
> > 16. A pop-up window appeared: "loading snapshot/source.st".
> >
> > Now we're getting somewhere! Or are we? Where is the browser? OK, it's
> > loaded but not instantiated or something. I need to select it from one
> > of Squeak's many browsers. Objects, maybe?
> >
> > 17. Clicked on the "objects" flap.
> >
> > 18. Clicked on "alphabetic".
> >
> > 19. Clicked on "s".
> >
> > 20. A window came up: "MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>parse:".
> > First line in window is "UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> > #parse.
> >
> > Um, that's not good. OK, I give. How do I install Scamper? Or any
> > package, for that matter?
> >
> > TIA,
> > John Koger
>
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> AIDA/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si
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> Beginners mailing list
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>

> Thanks, Janko!!!
>
> Alas, this does not work on my Mac. Right-clicking on the desired
> version (or anywhere on the SqueakMap Package Browser) brings up the
> "halo" of things I can change / do to the SPB window (menu icon,
> collapse icon, viewer icon, etc.). No popup.
>
> BUT! AHA! Your tip just needs to be translated into Mac-speak!
>
> A bit of flailing around with key-chord / mouseclick combos reveals...
> I need to press Alt (or Option) and left-click on the version number
> to get the popup menu!!!! Ta-da!!! It installs!!!
>
> And--I just noticed this--there is a tiny square in the upper-right
> corner of the package list window. Clicking on this tiny square also
> brings up the popup menu.
>
> (Wow, I gotta say, to be painfully honest, that step is completely
> non-obvious on a Mac! I'll see if I can figure out who developed the
> SPB and leave a note about the popup menu. Something that is so
> important shouldn't be that hard to find. The square needs to be a lot
> bigger, and the action to bring up the menu needs to be something more
> intuitive than Alt-leftclick. Maybe there could be a button that
> appears in the description window, or left-clicking on the URL in the
> descriptiion window will bring up the popup menu?)
>
> Anyway, back to the Scamper install. Well, it did install, almost.
>
> Now I get a pop-up error window after the install chugs along for a
> few seconds: "Error occurred during install: UndefinedObject>>flush.
> Would you like to open a debugger?" I click "No". I am a newbie and
> not yet debugger-compatible. Afterwards, I still get the same "parse"
> error when I try to find the Scamper object. But maybe that is a
> incompatibility between the current versions of the VM, Image, and
> Scamper? I'll try installing a few other packages and see how far I
> get.
>
> OK, I tried to install the big "Balloon 3D" package, and it installed
> just fine, and I can find a "B3DMorph" object and play with it without
> errors, so I am thinking that the Scamper "parse" and "flush" errors
> must be unique to Scamper.
>
> Thanks again for the help!!!
>
> On Dec 31, 2007 7:44 AM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> The fastes and and always workable steps to install Squeak packages are:
>>
>> 1. left click on Squeak desktop to get a popu menu and choose Open...
>> 2. Choose SqueakMap Package Browser
>> 3. Say Yes to "The map on this is more than 10 days old.", if this arise
>> 4. Choose you package and click on arow to get its versions
>> 5. Choose a version and right click to get popup
>> 6. Choose Install
>>
>> So, from your description you missed the 5th and 6th step. I hope this
>> will now help you install without problems.
>>
>> Janko
>>
>>
>>
>> John Koger wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I'm very new to Squeak, so this is probably just the result of me
>>> doing something dumb. I'm having a hard time installing any packages.
>>>
>>> Here's what I've done:
>>>
>>> 1. Downloaded and installed Squeak3.9-7067mac vm 3.8.18beta1U
>>>
>>> 2. Double-clicked on "Squeak3.9-final-7067.image" file. The Squeak VM
>>> started up just fine.
>>>
>>> 3. From the "Welcome to Squeak - an open Smalltalk system" window,
>>> clicked on "SMLoader open" to run the SqueakMap Package Loader.
>>>
>>> 4. Selected a package, any package.  Let's say "15-Puzzle (->1.1)",
>>> the first one in the list.
>>>
>>> 5. Clicked on the expansion arrow for "15-Puzzle (->1.1).
>>>
>>> 6. Clicked on the "1.1" subheading.
>>>
>>> 7. Clicked on the "Download:" link in the right-hand (description) window pane.
>>>
>>> 8. A pop-up window appeared: "Open a browser to view this URL?" Clicked "Yes".
>>>
>>> 9. A pop-up warning appeared: "There are no WebBrowser applications
>>> registered." Clicked "OK".
>>>
>>> 10. A pop-up window appeared: "Couldn't find a web browser. View page
>>> as source?" Clicked "Cancel".
>>>
>>> Hmmmm. OK, well, it is a bit surprising that the web browser isn't
>>> included in the base image, but never mind, I'll just install it
>>> first. I remember seeing somewhere that the browser is called
>>> "Scamper".
>>>
>>> 11. Scrolled down in SMLoader to "Scamper (->12)", clicked on
>>> expansion arrowhead, clicked on "12" subheading.
>>>
>>> 12. Copied "http://www.squeaksource.com/Scamper/Scamper-kfr.12.mcz"
>>> into my Firefox browser and download the file. (Did the "copy" by
>>> hand; could select the text of the filename, but couldn't Copy it.)
>>>
>>> 13. Put the "Scamper-kfr.12.mcz" file in the "Squeak3.9-7067mac vm
>>> 3.8.18beta1U" directory.
>>>
>>> 14. Flailed around, trying to figure out how to get Squeak to open the
>>> file. Eventually just drag-and-dropped the file onto the Squeak
>>> window.
>>>
>>> 15. A pop-up window appeared: "open in zip viewer / extract all to ...
>>> / load". Select "load" (it sounded like what I wanted).
>>>
>>> 16. A pop-up window appeared: "loading snapshot/source.st".
>>>
>>> Now we're getting somewhere! Or are we? Where is the browser? OK, it's
>>> loaded but not instantiated or something. I need to select it from one
>>> of Squeak's many browsers. Objects, maybe?
>>>
>>> 17. Clicked on the "objects" flap.
>>>
>>> 18. Clicked on "alphabetic".
>>>
>>> 19. Clicked on "s".
>>>
>>> 20. A window came up: "MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>parse:".
>>> First line in window is "UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
>>> #parse.
>>>
>>> Um, that's not good. OK, I give. How do I install Scamper? Or any
>>> package, for that matter?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> John Koger
>>
>> --
>> Janko Mivšek
>> AIDA/Web
>> Smalltalk Web Application Server
>> http://www.aidaweb.si
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>
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>

> John,
>
> Nice to hear that you succeed now wit your installation. For more (and
> about working on Mac) I strongly suggest you to look in on-line book
> Squeak by example: http://www.squeakbyexample.org/. Very interesting
> read in any case!
>
> Janko
>
>
> John Koger wrote:
> > Thanks, Janko!!!
> >
> > Alas, this does not work on my Mac. Right-clicking on the desired
> > version (or anywhere on the SqueakMap Package Browser) brings up the
> > "halo" of things I can change / do to the SPB window (menu icon,
> > collapse icon, viewer icon, etc.). No popup.
> >
> > BUT! AHA! Your tip just needs to be translated into Mac-speak!
> >
> > A bit of flailing around with key-chord / mouseclick combos reveals...
> > I need to press Alt (or Option) and left-click on the version number
> > to get the popup menu!!!! Ta-da!!! It installs!!!
> >
> > And--I just noticed this--there is a tiny square in the upper-right
> > corner of the package list window. Clicking on this tiny square also
> > brings up the popup menu.
> >
> > (Wow, I gotta say, to be painfully honest, that step is completely
> > non-obvious on a Mac! I'll see if I can figure out who developed the
> > SPB and leave a note about the popup menu. Something that is so
> > important shouldn't be that hard to find. The square needs to be a lot
> > bigger, and the action to bring up the menu needs to be something more
> > intuitive than Alt-leftclick. Maybe there could be a button that
> > appears in the description window, or left-clicking on the URL in the
> > descriptiion window will bring up the popup menu?)
> >
> > Anyway, back to the Scamper install. Well, it did install, almost.
> >
> > Now I get a pop-up error window after the install chugs along for a
> > few seconds: "Error occurred during install: UndefinedObject>>flush.
> > Would you like to open a debugger?" I click "No". I am a newbie and
> > not yet debugger-compatible. Afterwards, I still get the same "parse"
> > error when I try to find the Scamper object. But maybe that is a
> > incompatibility between the current versions of the VM, Image, and
> > Scamper? I'll try installing a few other packages and see how far I
> > get.
> >
> > OK, I tried to install the big "Balloon 3D" package, and it installed
> > just fine, and I can find a "B3DMorph" object and play with it without
> > errors, so I am thinking that the Scamper "parse" and "flush" errors
> > must be unique to Scamper.
> >
> > Thanks again for the help!!!
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2007 7:44 AM, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Hi John,
> >> The fastes and and always workable steps to install Squeak packages are:
> >>
> >> 1. left click on Squeak desktop to get a popu menu and choose Open...
> >> 2. Choose SqueakMap Package Browser
> >> 3. Say Yes to "The map on this is more than 10 days old.", if this arise
> >> 4. Choose you package and click on arow to get its versions
> >> 5. Choose a version and right click to get popup
> >> 6. Choose Install
> >>
> >> So, from your description you missed the 5th and 6th step. I hope this
> >> will now help you install without problems.
> >>
> >> Janko
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John Koger wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> I'm very new to Squeak, so this is probably just the result of me
> >>> doing something dumb. I'm having a hard time installing any packages.
> >>>
> >>> Here's what I've done:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Downloaded and installed Squeak3.9-7067mac vm 3.8.18beta1U
> >>>
> >>> 2. Double-clicked on "Squeak3.9-final-7067.image" file. The Squeak VM
> >>> started up just fine.
> >>>
> >>> 3. From the "Welcome to Squeak - an open Smalltalk system" window,
> >>> clicked on "SMLoader open" to run the SqueakMap Package Loader.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Selected a package, any package.  Let's say "15-Puzzle (->1.1)",
> >>> the first one in the list.
> >>>
> >>> 5. Clicked on the expansion arrow for "15-Puzzle (->1.1).
> >>>
> >>> 6. Clicked on the "1.1" subheading.
> >>>
> >>> 7. Clicked on the "Download:" link in the right-hand (description) window pane.
> >>>
> >>> 8. A pop-up window appeared: "Open a browser to view this URL?" Clicked "Yes".
> >>>
> >>> 9. A pop-up warning appeared: "There are no WebBrowser applications
> >>> registered." Clicked "OK".
> >>>
> >>> 10. A pop-up window appeared: "Couldn't find a web browser. View page
> >>> as source?" Clicked "Cancel".
> >>>
> >>> Hmmmm. OK, well, it is a bit surprising that the web browser isn't
> >>> included in the base image, but never mind, I'll just install it
> >>> first. I remember seeing somewhere that the browser is called
> >>> "Scamper".
> >>>
> >>> 11. Scrolled down in SMLoader to "Scamper (->12)", clicked on
> >>> expansion arrowhead, clicked on "12" subheading.
> >>>
> >>> 12. Copied "http://www.squeaksource.com/Scamper/Scamper-kfr.12.mcz"
> >>> into my Firefox browser and download the file. (Did the "copy" by
> >>> hand; could select the text of the filename, but couldn't Copy it.)
> >>>
> >>> 13. Put the "Scamper-kfr.12.mcz" file in the "Squeak3.9-7067mac vm
> >>> 3.8.18beta1U" directory.
> >>>
> >>> 14. Flailed around, trying to figure out how to get Squeak to open the
> >>> file. Eventually just drag-and-dropped the file onto the Squeak
> >>> window.
> >>>
> >>> 15. A pop-up window appeared: "open in zip viewer / extract all to ...
> >>> / load". Select "load" (it sounded like what I wanted).
> >>>
> >>> 16. A pop-up window appeared: "loading snapshot/source.st".
> >>>
> >>> Now we're getting somewhere! Or are we? Where is the browser? OK, it's
> >>> loaded but not instantiated or something. I need to select it from one
> >>> of Squeak's many browsers. Objects, maybe?
> >>>
> >>> 17. Clicked on the "objects" flap.
> >>>
> >>> 18. Clicked on "alphabetic".
> >>>
> >>> 19. Clicked on "s".
> >>>
> >>> 20. A window came up: "MessageNotUnderstood: UndefinedObject>>parse:".
> >>> First line in window is "UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> >>> #parse.
> >>>
> >>> Um, that's not good. OK, I give. How do I install Scamper? Or any
> >>> package, for that matter?
> >>>
> >>> TIA,
> >>> John Koger
> >>
> >> --
> >> Janko Mivšek
> >> AIDA/Web
> >> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> >> http://www.aidaweb.si
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Beginners mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Beginners mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
> >
>
> --
>
> Janko Mivšek
> AIDA/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si
> _______________________________________________
> Beginners mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>