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"This might be a reason to go for a release 4.4 after that."
This neatly proposes a solution to the problem of how to distribute the OmniBrowser. Releasing it with in an image release is one way to go. I don't think that eight weeks after releasing 4.3 that we'll be doing that. I'd expect 4.4 no earlier than Summer. And when we do release 4.4 a primary objective will to include Cog. By the way, Cog is a good example of how change works for Squeak. The transition has been going on for a year, a year and a half. And nobody would say Cog wasn't anything but a boon. What if something were not so clearly beneficial? That's what I figure the Jenkins server will be for. People can get used to things if they have an artifact to play with. If we want to make changes to the image to the extent we have for the vm, then we can accommodate both early adopters and late adopters by having a place to get an artifact long before it goes into the Squeak release. Eliot has his download page. It is to be hoped that the Jenkins server will do that for images. (Yes, we have an FTP download site, but it would be better to give accounts to people and let them try things out in public, generate tests, etc. And I'd like to see people who do fascinating things but have a lower profile, like Jon Hylands, have an account so people could try an image with their ideas.) How do we release OmniBrowser? This is an issue on the agenda for the next meeting of the SOB. One way is an Installer script. Perhaps another is a sar file like the one I used yesterday to load OSProcess? How about an image segment? If people could generate some ideas, then Tuesday's meeting of the SOB will be more productive. Thanks, Chris |
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Am 2012-03-01 um 15:34 schrieb Chris Cunnington: > "This might be a reason to go for a release 4.4 after that." > […] > How do we release OmniBrowser? This is an issue on > the agenda for the next meeting of the SOB. > > One way is an Installer script. Perhaps another is a sar file like the one > I used yesterday to load OSProcess? How about an image segment? > If people could generate some ideas, then Tuesday's meeting of the > SOB will be more productive. I don't want to say it should be the default Distribution method, but I think a Metacello-Configuration for OB on Squeak is a must-have. I know, this might kick of discussions of whether or not to have Metacello in a base image and the like, but from an Administrators perspective (or DevOp?) Metacello provides means to “depend on” Smalltalk software and seems well-suited for software distribution and, even more so, maintenance. Best -Tobias |
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't want to say it should be the default Distribution method, > but I think a Metacello-Configuration for OB on Squeak is a must-have. > I know, this might kick of discussions of whether or not to have Metacello > in a base image and the like, but from an Administrators perspective > (or DevOp?) Metacello provides means to “depend on” Smalltalk software > and seems well-suited for software distribution and, even more so, maintenance. Absolutely. I'll definitely update ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser with the the new release. The question is, how can we make it even easier to install? |
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Colin,
Let me know if you want me to help ... Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Colin Putney" <[hidden email]> | To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list" <[hidden email]> | Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:59:39 PM | Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] How to release OminBrowser? (was OmniBrowser) | | On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> wrote: | | > I don't want to say it should be the default Distribution method, | > but I think a Metacello-Configuration for OB on Squeak is a | > must-have. | > I know, this might kick of discussions of whether or not to have | > Metacello | > in a base image and the like, but from an Administrators | > perspective | > (or DevOp?) Metacello provides means to “depend on” Smalltalk | > software | > and seems well-suited for software distribution and, even more so, | > maintenance. | | Absolutely. I'll definitely update ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser with | the | the new release. | | The question is, how can we make it even easier to install? | | |
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What is Metacello? I have Monticello, but not Metacello. Are Monticello and Metacello the same?
2012/3/2 Tobias Pape <[hidden email]>
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On 2 March 2012 13:47, 강진오 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What is Metacello? I have Monticello, but not Metacello. Are Monticello and > Metacello the same? No. Monticello is a version control system that uses packages calls mcz files. Metacello is a configuration management system, so describes how Monticello packages make up some project. If you browse the source of this package - http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository/ConfigurationOfQuaternion-fbs.4.mcz - you'll see how Nicolas Cellier's Quaternion package is configured. For a slightly less trivial example, take a look at http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository/ConfigurationOfSqueakCheck-fbs.8.mcz Both of these are Monticello packages containing Metacello configurations. To install either, load the package into your system and run "ConfigurationOfQuaternion load" or "ConfigurationOfSqueakCheck load". That, off the top of my head, ought to be sufficient to load both. (It'll take a while: both will bootstrap Metacello into your image.) (If they don't load cleanly, please tell me and I'll fix them!) frank > 2012/3/2 Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> >> >> >> Am 2012-03-01 um 15:34 schrieb Chris Cunnington: >> >> > "This might be a reason to go for a release 4.4 after that." >> > […] >> > How do we release OmniBrowser? This is an issue on >> > the agenda for the next meeting of the SOB. >> > >> > One way is an Installer script. Perhaps another is a sar file like the >> > one >> > I used yesterday to load OSProcess? How about an image segment? >> > If people could generate some ideas, then Tuesday's meeting of the >> > SOB will be more productive. >> >> I don't want to say it should be the default Distribution method, >> but I think a Metacello-Configuration for OB on Squeak is a must-have. >> I know, this might kick of discussions of whether or not to have Metacello >> in a base image and the like, but from an Administrators perspective >> (or DevOp?) Metacello provides means to “depend on” Smalltalk software >> and seems well-suited for software distribution and, even more so, >> maintenance. >> >> Best >> -Tobias >> >> >> >> > > > > |
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Is Metacello installable?
2012/3/2 Frank Shearar <[hidden email]>
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Certainly.
Installer ss project: 'MetacelloRepository'; install: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) load should be all you need to do. frank 2012/3/2 강진오 <[hidden email]>: > Is Metacello installable? > > > 2012/3/2 Frank Shearar <[hidden email]> >> >> On 2 March 2012 13:47, 강진오 <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > What is Metacello? I have Monticello, but not Metacello. Are Monticello >> > and >> > Metacello the same? >> >> No. Monticello is a version control system that uses packages calls mcz >> files. >> >> Metacello is a configuration management system, so describes how >> Monticello packages make up some project. >> >> If you browse the source of this package - >> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository/ConfigurationOfQuaternion-fbs.4.mcz >> - you'll see how Nicolas Cellier's Quaternion package is configured. >> >> For a slightly less trivial example, take a look at >> >> http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository/ConfigurationOfSqueakCheck-fbs.8.mcz >> >> Both of these are Monticello packages containing Metacello configurations. >> >> To install either, load the package into your system and run >> "ConfigurationOfQuaternion load" or "ConfigurationOfSqueakCheck load". >> That, off the top of my head, ought to be sufficient to load both. >> (It'll take a while: both will bootstrap Metacello into your image.) >> (If they don't load cleanly, please tell me and I'll fix them!) >> >> frank >> >> > 2012/3/2 Tobias Pape <[hidden email]> >> >> >> >> >> >> Am 2012-03-01 um 15:34 schrieb Chris Cunnington: >> >> >> >> > "This might be a reason to go for a release 4.4 after that." >> >> > [...] >> >> > How do we release OmniBrowser? This is an issue on >> >> > the agenda for the next meeting of the SOB. >> >> > >> >> > One way is an Installer script. Perhaps another is a sar file like >> >> > the >> >> > one >> >> > I used yesterday to load OSProcess? How about an image segment? >> >> > If people could generate some ideas, then Tuesday's meeting of the >> >> > SOB will be more productive. >> >> >> >> I don't want to say it should be the default Distribution method, >> >> but I think a Metacello-Configuration for OB on Squeak is a must-have. >> >> I know, this might kick of discussions of whether or not to have >> >> Metacello >> >> in a base image and the like, but from an Administrators perspective >> >> (or DevOp?) Metacello provides means to "depend on" Smalltalk software >> >> and seems well-suited for software distribution and, even more so, >> >> maintenance. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> -Tobias >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > |
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package ConfigurationOfMetacello of project MetacelloRepository... Thanks 2012년 3월 2일 오후 11:08, Frank Shearar <[hidden email]>님의 말: Certainly. |
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Here is the Metacello project page which has additional info & docs:
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