Intermetaverse group in Second Life

> Why don't we simply use Metaverse (or MetaverseSL). Is it too broad for a group name, or is it already exist.
> Kaan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giulio Prisco [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:27 PM
> To: [hidden email]; Hussayn Dabbous
> Subject: Re: Croquet vs. Secondlife regarding future development (some thoughts to share...)
>
> Sounds like a vision indeed! Of course it would be difficult to
> implement at this moment, but as all other IT technologies, metaverse
> technology is bound to move toward interoperability.
> I do not complain too much about SL, and am more optimist on its
> future now that the client has been opensourced and official
> statements on future opensourcing of the server have been made (by
> Kapor at Davos). BTW take a look at libsecondlife and opensecondlife.
> Lets decide the name of the SL group together. How about SIGmeta?
> G.
>
> On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > hi, folks;
> >
> > hmm. It looks like all of us have doubts about SL, but we are running around
> > right now inside SL having fun, making contacts, business, doing all sorts of
> > unbelievable things TODAY. And i do not know about any other virtual world
> > right now where this is possible to such an extend as we can do there.
> >
> > So rather instead of discussing alternatives to SL i prefer to discuss where
> > SL does fail to support us and whether Croquet can play a role there.
> > So i want to see a discussion about what people want eventually to achieve,
> > what is missing in SL to reach the goals and whether things can be improved easily.
> > Only then it makes sense to me to talk about how Croquet would fit in place.
> >
> > So for me its all about understanding SL to make Croquet a better world.
> > But not looking for something "better", than SL to replace it. im still dreaming
> > of parallel metaverses interconnected via portals or teleport. Where SL takes
> > its role maybe as sotial life platform, other virtual universes e.g. based upon
> > Croquet or others show up as they are needed. That sounds like a vision!
> >
> > Finally i dislike the idea to be member of an SL-group that thinks about how
> > to avoid SL. Isn't that a bit unfair? so we could meet without placing a group.
> > maybe eventually that makes sense. But not before it becomes clear whats up...
> >
> > just my 2 cents. If you think my doubts are pointless, go ahead and create the
> > group. But you may rethink the name ;-)
> >
> > Nevertheless id like to join the meeting .
> >
> > regards, hussayn
> >
> >
> > Giulio Prisco schrieb:
> > > I will be back in SL in a few hours and plan to create a SL Group
> > > "altVR" (alternatives to SL, including Croquet, Multiverse etc).
> > > I must be honest and say that I have some doubts about Croquet,
> > > However, lets discuss in SL.
> > > G.
> > >
> > > On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> hy there.
> > >>
> > >> yes, would be interesting to make a gettogether in SL.
> > >> i too own an island there, currently setting up a developers camp and
> > >> software related trade shows and so on. Currently the island is a big
> > >> mess,
> > >> much construction, lousy place to meet ;-) so lets take giulio's
> > >> initiative
> > >> up and go to his place. sounds great.
> > >>
> > >> It turns out to be rather unhandy that people have different names in
> > >> RL and SL.
> > >> i always loose track, who is who in the game. So what about collecting
> > >> an invitation
> > >> list here, where everybody drops his first name/second name ...
> > >>
> > >> so i'll start it right now:
> > >>
> > >> real life name              SL name
> > >> Hussayn dabbous             Hussayn Salomon
> > >> Kelly Rued                  Lotte Twilight
> > >> Giulio Prisco               Giulio Perhaps
> > >> Kaan Bingöl                 Kaan Tornado
> > >>
> > >> It would be nice if there where an agenda around before the meeting
> > >> takes place...
> > >>
> > >> regards, hussayn
> > >>
> > >> Kelly Rued schrieb:
> > >> > My SL name is Lotte Twilight. I look forward to meeting Croquet
> > >> users in SL.
> > >> > I agree that forming a group in SL to look into cross-platform
> > >> projects with
> > >> > communication or some level of integrationg between Croquet and
> > >> something
> > >> > like SL which is more user friendly at the moment.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Kelly
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>

> So I met with Kaan and John (a Squeak expert who is not curerntly on
> this list but will join) and we founded the Intermetaverse group in
> SL:
>
> http://uvvy.com/index.php/Intermetaverse
>
> BTW I should introduce myself, I did so a few months ago but have not
> be very active on this list since:
>
> http://uvvy.com/index.php/Gp
> http://metafuturing.com/#gp-en
>
> I have not played with Croquet for months, will start again.
>
> G.
>
>
> On 2/2/07, Kaan Bingöl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Why don't we simply use Metaverse (or MetaverseSL). Is it too broad
>> for a group name, or is it already exist.
>> Kaan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Giulio Prisco [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:27 PM
>> To: [hidden email]; Hussayn Dabbous
>> Subject: Re: Croquet vs. Secondlife regarding future development (some
>> thoughts to share...)
>>
>> Sounds like a vision indeed! Of course it would be difficult to
>> implement at this moment, but as all other IT technologies, metaverse
>> technology is bound to move toward interoperability.
>> I do not complain too much about SL, and am more optimist on its
>> future now that the client has been opensourced and official
>> statements on future opensourcing of the server have been made (by
>> Kapor at Davos). BTW take a look at libsecondlife and opensecondlife.
>> Lets decide the name of the SL group together. How about SIGmeta?
>> G.
>>
>> On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > hi, folks;
>> >
>> > hmm. It looks like all of us have doubts about SL, but we are
>> running around
>> > right now inside SL having fun, making contacts, business, doing all
>> sorts of
>> > unbelievable things TODAY. And i do not know about any other virtual
>> world
>> > right now where this is possible to such an extend as we can do there.
>> >
>> > So rather instead of discussing alternatives to SL i prefer to
>> discuss where
>> > SL does fail to support us and whether Croquet can play a role there.
>> > So i want to see a discussion about what people want eventually to
>> achieve,
>> > what is missing in SL to reach the goals and whether things can be
>> improved easily.
>> > Only then it makes sense to me to talk about how Croquet would fit
>> in place.
>> >
>> > So for me its all about understanding SL to make Croquet a better
>> world.
>> > But not looking for something "better", than SL to replace it. im
>> still dreaming
>> > of parallel metaverses interconnected via portals or teleport. Where
>> SL takes
>> > its role maybe as sotial life platform, other virtual universes e.g.
>> based upon
>> > Croquet or others show up as they are needed. That sounds like a
>> vision!
>> >
>> > Finally i dislike the idea to be member of an SL-group that thinks
>> about how
>> > to avoid SL. Isn't that a bit unfair? so we could meet without
>> placing a group.
>> > maybe eventually that makes sense. But not before it becomes clear
>> whats up...
>> >
>> > just my 2 cents. If you think my doubts are pointless, go ahead and
>> create the
>> > group. But you may rethink the name ;-)
>> >
>> > Nevertheless id like to join the meeting .
>> >
>> > regards, hussayn
>> >
>> >
>> > Giulio Prisco schrieb:
>> > > I will be back in SL in a few hours and plan to create a SL Group
>> > > "altVR" (alternatives to SL, including Croquet, Multiverse etc).
>> > > I must be honest and say that I have some doubts about Croquet,
>> > > However, lets discuss in SL.
>> > > G.
>> > >
>> > > On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > >> hy there.
>> > >>
>> > >> yes, would be interesting to make a gettogether in SL.
>> > >> i too own an island there, currently setting up a developers camp
>> and
>> > >> software related trade shows and so on. Currently the island is a
>> big
>> > >> mess,
>> > >> much construction, lousy place to meet ;-) so lets take giulio's
>> > >> initiative
>> > >> up and go to his place. sounds great.
>> > >>
>> > >> It turns out to be rather unhandy that people have different
>> names in
>> > >> RL and SL.
>> > >> i always loose track, who is who in the game. So what about
>> collecting
>> > >> an invitation
>> > >> list here, where everybody drops his first name/second name ...
>> > >>
>> > >> so i'll start it right now:
>> > >>
>> > >> real life name              SL name
>> > >> Hussayn dabbous             Hussayn Salomon
>> > >> Kelly Rued                  Lotte Twilight
>> > >> Giulio Prisco               Giulio Perhaps
>> > >> Kaan Bingöl                 Kaan Tornado
>> > >>
>> > >> It would be nice if there where an agenda around before the meeting
>> > >> takes place...
>> > >>
>> > >> regards, hussayn
>> > >>
>> > >> Kelly Rued schrieb:
>> > >> > My SL name is Lotte Twilight. I look forward to meeting Croquet
>> > >> users in SL.
>> > >> > I agree that forming a group in SL to look into cross-platform
>> > >> projects with
>> > >> > communication or some level of integrationg between Croquet and
>> > >> something
>> > >> > like SL which is more user friendly at the moment.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > -Kelly
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

> ah, would have been cool to setup and announce a meeting,
> instead of meeting just by coincidental showing up in SL :-)
> I really would have liked to be with you, but was completely
> unaware of that event...
>
> So curious to get to know, what you where talking about.
> Will you tell us ?
>
> regards, hussayn
>
> Giulio Prisco schrieb:
> > So I met with Kaan and John (a Squeak expert who is not curerntly on
> > this list but will join) and we founded the Intermetaverse group in
> > SL:
> >
> > http://uvvy.com/index.php/Intermetaverse
> >
> > BTW I should introduce myself, I did so a few months ago but have not
> > be very active on this list since:
> >
> > http://uvvy.com/index.php/Gp
> > http://metafuturing.com/#gp-en
> >
> > I have not played with Croquet for months, will start again.
> >
> > G.
> >
> >
> > On 2/2/07, Kaan Bingöl <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Why don't we simply use Metaverse (or MetaverseSL). Is it too broad
> >> for a group name, or is it already exist.
> >> Kaan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Giulio Prisco [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:27 PM
> >> To: [hidden email]; Hussayn Dabbous
> >> Subject: Re: Croquet vs. Secondlife regarding future development (some
> >> thoughts to share...)
> >>
> >> Sounds like a vision indeed! Of course it would be difficult to
> >> implement at this moment, but as all other IT technologies, metaverse
> >> technology is bound to move toward interoperability.
> >> I do not complain too much about SL, and am more optimist on its
> >> future now that the client has been opensourced and official
> >> statements on future opensourcing of the server have been made (by
> >> Kapor at Davos). BTW take a look at libsecondlife and opensecondlife.
> >> Lets decide the name of the SL group together. How about SIGmeta?
> >> G.
> >>
> >> On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > hi, folks;
> >> >
> >> > hmm. It looks like all of us have doubts about SL, but we are
> >> running around
> >> > right now inside SL having fun, making contacts, business, doing all
> >> sorts of
> >> > unbelievable things TODAY. And i do not know about any other virtual
> >> world
> >> > right now where this is possible to such an extend as we can do there.
> >> >
> >> > So rather instead of discussing alternatives to SL i prefer to
> >> discuss where
> >> > SL does fail to support us and whether Croquet can play a role there.
> >> > So i want to see a discussion about what people want eventually to
> >> achieve,
> >> > what is missing in SL to reach the goals and whether things can be
> >> improved easily.
> >> > Only then it makes sense to me to talk about how Croquet would fit
> >> in place.
> >> >
> >> > So for me its all about understanding SL to make Croquet a better
> >> world.
> >> > But not looking for something "better", than SL to replace it. im
> >> still dreaming
> >> > of parallel metaverses interconnected via portals or teleport. Where
> >> SL takes
> >> > its role maybe as sotial life platform, other virtual universes e.g.
> >> based upon
> >> > Croquet or others show up as they are needed. That sounds like a
> >> vision!
> >> >
> >> > Finally i dislike the idea to be member of an SL-group that thinks
> >> about how
> >> > to avoid SL. Isn't that a bit unfair? so we could meet without
> >> placing a group.
> >> > maybe eventually that makes sense. But not before it becomes clear
> >> whats up...
> >> >
> >> > just my 2 cents. If you think my doubts are pointless, go ahead and
> >> create the
> >> > group. But you may rethink the name ;-)
> >> >
> >> > Nevertheless id like to join the meeting .
> >> >
> >> > regards, hussayn
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Giulio Prisco schrieb:
> >> > > I will be back in SL in a few hours and plan to create a SL Group
> >> > > "altVR" (alternatives to SL, including Croquet, Multiverse etc).
> >> > > I must be honest and say that I have some doubts about Croquet,
> >> > > However, lets discuss in SL.
> >> > > G.
> >> > >
> >> > > On 2/2/07, Hussayn Dabbous <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > >> hy there.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> yes, would be interesting to make a gettogether in SL.
> >> > >> i too own an island there, currently setting up a developers camp
> >> and
> >> > >> software related trade shows and so on. Currently the island is a
> >> big
> >> > >> mess,
> >> > >> much construction, lousy place to meet ;-) so lets take giulio's
> >> > >> initiative
> >> > >> up and go to his place. sounds great.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> It turns out to be rather unhandy that people have different
> >> names in
> >> > >> RL and SL.
> >> > >> i always loose track, who is who in the game. So what about
> >> collecting
> >> > >> an invitation
> >> > >> list here, where everybody drops his first name/second name ...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> so i'll start it right now:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> real life name              SL name
> >> > >> Hussayn dabbous             Hussayn Salomon
> >> > >> Kelly Rued                  Lotte Twilight
> >> > >> Giulio Prisco               Giulio Perhaps
> >> > >> Kaan Bingöl                 Kaan Tornado
> >> > >>
> >> > >> It would be nice if there where an agenda around before the meeting
> >> > >> takes place...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> regards, hussayn