Introduction - Business Application Developer

Hi

My introduction:

I have been in an organization with several successful medium sized business applications as products and have been looking for some time for a good platform for next round of development.
For past several years I have been looking around for a suitable platform but despite deep interest in Smalltalk have regrettably not got anywhere. I have my own Dolphin license as well.

The primary reason for attempting on Smalltalk, is I feel a small team can do a great job - and this is a real plus as there are very few persons with development skills and domain expertise as well.

But here is where I fall short to get going - I have not really come across an "end-to-end" example business application to get us going. This was a huge plus in our erstwhile platform where we had a very good complete sample application / tutorial out of the box which closely matched to what we wanted to deliver commercially.

In my past postings Folks have been very helpful but somehow there is a gap in the advice that a not very technical person can build up on. To give an example - to build a UI - I was pointed to the Morphic Tutorial - but the Morphic tutorial is very difficult to digest. It has a long winded example on creating a "Cross". Fabulous capability no doubt but sure scares a simple Business app developr who want to put together a couple of screens to lets say print someones invoices.

To get started all I need is a sample application (Dolphin's "personal money" came some way but not what I was looking at) - as a start code for
- A sample UI for creating / editing a simple form
- A sample UI for creating / editing a master detail form
- creating formatted reports (print / PDF / xls)
- (above to use an RDBMS for storage / persistence) since these are commercially most common
- (delivering the application)
I think a simple invoicing application can become a good example easily understood by anyone - and if its of any interest if folks can guide me I can in return provide the tutorial to public domain.

I would just like to add most commercial developers are simple folks who would like a simple approach to coding - the domain side is pretty complicated anyway ad some appl become too vast before you realize it.

Regards
Sanjay

Well,

I did hope that I would excite (some) folks to help me set up a first minimal business application,

Here are the applications I would attempt to port to the platform chosen (Pharo-Smalltalk)
   http://www.minisoftindia.com/products/   ...(take a peek thru the "software preview" link on the right panel)
here is a direct link to one of the more mundane applications
   http://www.minisoftindia.com/paytime/index.html    ...(other application are far more exciting !!)

as you can see these applications look tired and dry
I do hope to get a jump start so I can make them look slick  

these are desktop based ... I need to make them both desktop and web based

looking forward to a response

Regards
Sanjay


 

this is clear that Morphic and UI building is not at the level I want.

> To get started all I need is a sample application (Dolphin's "personal
> money" came some way but not what I was looking at) - as a start code for
> - A sample UI for creating / editing a simple form

did you check the new Spec tutorial?
I know that a nice table widgets is missing.
Did you look at Phobos?
Because Pavel did a spec to XULRunner outputer.
> - A sample UI for creating / editing a master detail form

Some people used maggritte to generate Morphic forms.

> - creating formatted reports (print / PDF / xls)

There is artefact for the pdf aspect, neoCSV (for printing you mean what postscript?)
We use latex generation.

> - (above to use an RDBMS for storage / persistence) since these are
> commercially most common

did you look at the support for
        MongoDB (Voyage), MySQLite,…


> - (delivering the application)
> I think a simple invoicing application can become a good example easily
> understood by anyone - and if its of any interest if folks can guide me I
> can in return provide the tutorial to public domain.

I would really like to see that happening.


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On 19 Mar 2014, at 09:40, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
there is also DBXTalk, do not forget about it :)
it connects the most common RDBMS (oracle, mssql)
is not easy to bootstrap, but once is done, it works fine.

Esteban


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Thanks Stef, Clement

Ok

let me begin with a simple screen using Spec - on Win 7 platform. As of now will use SQLLite for storage (when I come to it).

incidentally I tried getting UIPainter in Pharo3 (image could be a couple of weeks back) using command below but it did not load successfully

Gofer new
   smalltalkhubUser: 'ErwanDouaille' project: 'UIPainter';
   configurationOf: 'UIPainter';
   load.
ConfigurationOfUIPainter load.

Clement ... can work around the doc in French using translate.google.com

Overall will be a slow as I can give an hour a day between current work and I am not very technically savvy

thanks
Sanjay  

On 19 Mar 2014, at 15:22, Sanjay-M <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Stef, Clement
>
> Ok
>
> let me begin with a simple screen using Spec - on Win 7 platform. As of now
> will use SQLLite for storage (when I come to it).
>
> incidentally I tried getting UIPainter in Pharo3 (image could be a couple of
> weeks back) using command below but it did not load successfully

forget the painter.
It is just a student experiment.


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