Is an embedded Tweak app possible? CCollaborative in a TWindow?

There is a thread called "eToys & Croquet Squeak Image?" at the link
below that talks about this in several of the posts.  Yes, it should
be possible.

https://lists.duke.edu/sympa/arc/croquet-dev/2008-01/thrd2.html#00034

On 7/27/08, Georg Köster <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I have been playing with the 2D-support. I have a few questions which should
> be quick.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
>  + What is the comment of TMorphicWorld referencing when it says "... proper
> (replicated) Tweak variants" ?
> (Complete text attached.)
>
>  + Is there any example app with Tweak 2D-Interface on a TWindow?
>
>  + Is there any reason that CCollaborativeTextWindow isn't running like for
> example KMediaText as an TEmbeddableApp? Was it just before it's time?
>
> I did some reading and trials and looks like I can easily display a
> Tweak-painted complete window in a TWindow (in fact CCollaborative is doing
> that for the editor only). Pointer-translation still has to be done.
>
> I found also CCollaborative not only replicating the events like keypress,
> but also the form-painting - that can be fixed as in the embedded apps. But
> why not use the embedded apps infrastructure directly?
>
> I've seen the Ben Schroeder questions on doing something advanced with
> Tweak, other messages saying that Tweak-integration is still off quite a bit
> - how does this fit the comment in TMorphicWorld?
>
> Of course probably evil event-interdependencies... I killed my
> morphic-embedded stuff easily mousing around. ;-)
>
> Cheers!
> Georg
>
>
> Attachment 1: TMorphicWorld comment:
> (c) 2006 Qwaq Inc. WARNING: TMorphicWorld is intrinsically broken since
> Morphic does not provide proper synchronization mechanisms. The sole purpose
> of this class is to support a few demos from way back that haven't been
> converted to proper (replicated) Tweak variants.
>

Here is another related reference.

https://lists.duke.edu/sympa/arc/croquet-dev/2008-03/msg00069.html

The way you describe picking a host to produce the Tweak texture
doesn't match my understanding.  I think of it more like a webcam that
runs only on one participant's machine and periodically feeds a
changing local texture into the replicated island.  You could not have
everybody run their own webcam and expect to get identical results
from everyone.

On 7/28/08, Georg Köster <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks David, that's a good cross-ref.
>
> Here the summary as answers to my questions:
>
>   + What is the comment of TMorphicWorld referencing when it says "...
> proper (replicated) Tweak variants" ? (Complete text attached.)
>  Answer: The comment doesn't reference anything publicly available. But it
> truthfully hints at the possibility of building TTweakWorld and relating
> classes.
>
>   + Is there any example app with Tweak 2D-Interface on a TWindow?
>   Answer: Not publicly available.
>
>   + Is there any reason that CCollaborativeTextWindow isn't running like for
> example KMediaText as an TEmbeddableApp? Was it just before it's time?
>  No answer yet. Probably just an early prototype.
>
> I'll start and be on the lookout for event-trouble.
>
> An Idea I had was to randomly select the 'server' on every form-update out
> of all participating clients. Since everybody has his local
> non-island-replicated Tweak object, that should keep the app alive even if
> users quit. Only problem would be managing the list of users...
>
> Cheers!
> Georg
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:17 PM, David Faught <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > There is a thread called "eToys & Croquet Squeak Image?" at the link
> > below that talks about this in several of the posts.  Yes, it should
> > be possible.
> >
> >
> https://lists.duke.edu/sympa/arc/croquet-dev/2008-01/thrd2.html#00034
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/27/08, Georg Köster <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > I have been playing with the 2D-support. I have a few questions which
> should
> > > be quick.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your help!
> > >
> > >  + What is the comment of TMorphicWorld referencing when it says "...
> proper
> > > (replicated) Tweak variants" ?
> > > (Complete text attached.)
> > >
> > >  + Is there any example app with Tweak 2D-Interface on a TWindow?
> > >
> > >  + Is there any reason that CCollaborativeTextWindow isn't running like
> for
> > > example KMediaText as an TEmbeddableApp? Was it just before it's time?
> > >
> > > I did some reading and trials and looks like I can easily display a
> > > Tweak-painted complete window in a TWindow (in fact CCollaborative is
> doing
> > > that for the editor only). Pointer-translation still has to be done.
> > >
> > > I found also CCollaborative not only replicating the events like
> keypress,
> > > but also the form-painting - that can be fixed as in the embedded apps.
> But
> > > why not use the embedded apps infrastructure directly?
> > >
> > > I've seen the Ben Schroeder questions on doing something advanced with
> > > Tweak, other messages saying that Tweak-integration is still off quite a
> bit
> > > - how does this fit the comment in TMorphicWorld?
> > >
> > > Of course probably evil event-interdependencies... I killed my
> > > morphic-embedded stuff easily mousing around. ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > Georg
> > >
> > >
> > > Attachment 1: TMorphicWorld comment:
> > > (c) 2006 Qwaq Inc. WARNING: TMorphicWorld is intrinsically broken since
> > > Morphic does not provide proper synchronization mechanisms. The sole
> purpose
> > > of this class is to support a few demos from way back that haven't been
> > > converted to proper (replicated) Tweak variants.
> > >
> >
>
>