Just a thought...

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Gary Chambers <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > It might be nice that we have some more paint rules in BitBlt. A
> "fuzz/blur"
> > effect would be nice and take the load off the Squeak code for such
> things.
> >
> > Just wanting to get more contemporary with the ui look without large
> > performance penalties.
> >
> > Not quite liking the way that effects are hidden behind canvas (leading to
> a
> > bloated interface, perhaps (c.f. #drawImage... #drawTranslucentImage...)).
> > Not sure where the balance should be. Looks like a choke-point that is too
> > useful to bypass on a case-by-case basis.
> >
>
>
> If you were to implement some more interesting effects in BitBLT, how would
> you make sure that Morphs that use this code will still work on other
> targets such as Rome, Postscript Canvases, VNC etc?
>

> Gulik
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
> Sent: 18 April 2008 7:32 AM
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Just a thought...
>
>
> 2008/4/18 Michael van der Gulik <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Gary Chambers
> <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > It might be nice that we have some more paint rules in BitBlt. A
> > "fuzz/blur"
> > > effect would be nice and take the load off the Squeak code for such
> > things.
> > >
> > > Just wanting to get more contemporary with the ui look without large
> > > performance penalties.
> > >
> > > Not quite liking the way that effects are hidden behind
> canvas (leading to
> > a
> > > bloated interface, perhaps (c.f. #drawImage...
> #drawTranslucentImage...)).
> > > Not sure where the balance should be. Looks like a
> choke-point that is too
> > > useful to bypass on a case-by-case basis.
> > >
> >
> >
> > If you were to implement some more interesting effects in
> BitBLT, how would
> > you make sure that Morphs that use this code will still work on other
> > targets such as Rome, Postscript Canvases, VNC etc?
> >

> 1. BitBlt already contains many blitting rules which is problematic to
> support on different back ends.
> 2. In future, i suppose, we need a more functional approach how to
> define drawing operations.
> To describe a blitting/drawing operations with classes/objects not
> with integer numbers, like we currently have, which is meaningless and
> hard to determine how they working.
>
> Drawing operation should be represented by object -  a
> function(source, destination, arguments..), where function is fully
> reflected in language.
>

>
> > Gulik
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>
>
> Backwards compatability is always an issue, especially here. Wondering if we
> can really move things onwards now...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Michael van der
> Gulik
> Sent: 18 April 2008 4:44 AM
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Just a thought...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Gary Chambers <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > It might be nice that we have some more paint rules in BitBlt. A
> "fuzz/blur"
> > effect would be nice and take the load off the Squeak code for such
> things.
> >
> > Just wanting to get more contemporary with the ui look without large
> > performance penalties.
> >
> > Not quite liking the way that effects are hidden behind canvas (leading to
> a
> > bloated interface, perhaps (c.f. #drawImage... #drawTranslucentImage...)).
> > Not sure where the balance should be. Looks like a choke-point that is too
> > useful to bypass on a case-by-case basis.
> >
>
>
> If you were to implement some more interesting effects in BitBLT, how would
> you make sure that Morphs that use this code will still work on other
> targets such as Rome, Postscript Canvases, VNC etc?
>
> Gulik
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko
> Sent: 24 April 2008 11:18 PM
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Just a thought...
>
>
> i just discovered something which may be of you interest :)
> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3269
> See 'melt' filter. I think you can use it for smearing background
>
> 2008/4/19 Gary Chambers <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >
> > Backwards compatability is always an issue, especially here.
> Wondering if we
> > can really move things onwards now...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of
> Michael van der
> > Gulik
> > Sent: 18 April 2008 4:44 AM
> > To: Squeak's User Interface
> > Subject: Re: [UI] Just a thought...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Gary Chambers
> <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It might be nice that we have some more paint rules in BitBlt. A
> > "fuzz/blur"
> > > effect would be nice and take the load off the Squeak code for such
> > things.
> > >
> > > Just wanting to get more contemporary with the ui look without large
> > > performance penalties.
> > >
> > > Not quite liking the way that effects are hidden behind
> canvas (leading to
> > a
> > > bloated interface, perhaps (c.f. #drawImage...
> #drawTranslucentImage...)).
> > > Not sure where the balance should be. Looks like a
> choke-point that is too
> > > useful to bypass on a case-by-case basis.
> > >
> >
> >
> > If you were to implement some more interesting effects in
> BitBLT, how would
> > you make sure that Morphs that use this code will still work on other
> > targets such as Rome, Postscript Canvases, VNC etc?
> >
> > Gulik
> >
> >
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> >
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>
>
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> Gary asked on #Squeak IRC for other UI enhancement requests:
>
> I have found it would be nice sometimes to be able to copy the complete
> line/lines of text from the upper pane of the debugger for such as pasting
> into an email asking for help with some problem or other. At the moment, the
> copy to paste buffer non-intuitively only gets the method name text. 'Copy
> text' gets way too much.
>
> On Mac, doing cntl-click in the method pane of OB Package Browser, I see
> 'copy to paste buffer', but it does not appear to copy anything.
>
> Also, couldn't that just be 'copy' in the menu?
>
> Thx,
> Ken G. Brown
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of karl ramberg
> Sent: 06 August 2008 9:52 AM
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Copy Enhancements?
>
>
> I would like that feature.
>
> Another text/copy feature, make it possible to select a piece of text
> with the mouse and click and drag it to another place. I know I can do
> that in list panes but I cant do it in text panes.
>
> On 8/5/08, Ken G. Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Gary asked on #Squeak IRC for other UI enhancement requests:
> >
> > I have found it would be nice sometimes to be able to copy the complete
> > line/lines of text from the upper pane of the debugger for such
> as pasting
> > into an email asking for help with some problem or other. At
> the moment, the
> > copy to paste buffer non-intuitively only gets the method name
> text. 'Copy
> > text' gets way too much.
> >
> > On Mac, doing cntl-click in the method pane of OB Package Browser, I see
> > 'copy to paste buffer', but it does not appear to copy anything.
> >
> > Also, couldn't that just be 'copy' in the menu?
> >
> > Thx,
> > Ken G. Brown
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>Regards, Gary.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of karl ramberg
>> Sent: 06 August 2008 9:52 AM
>> To: Squeak's User Interface
>> Subject: Re: [UI] Copy Enhancements?
>>
>>
>> I would like that feature.
>>
>> Another text/copy feature, make it possible to select a piece of text
>> with the mouse and click and drag it to another place. I know I can do
>> that in list panes but I cant do it in text panes.
>>
>> On 8/5/08, Ken G. Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Gary asked on #Squeak IRC for other UI enhancement requests:
>> >
>> > I have found it would be nice sometimes to be able to copy the complete
>> > line/lines of text from the upper pane of the debugger for such
>> as pasting
>> > into an email asking for help with some problem or other. At
>> the moment, the
>> > copy to paste buffer non-intuitively only gets the method name
>> text. 'Copy
>> > text' gets way too much.
>> >
>> > On Mac, doing cntl-click in the method pane of OB Package Browser, I see
>> > 'copy to paste buffer', but it does not appear to copy anything.
>> >
>> > Also, couldn't that just be 'copy' in the menu?
>> >
>> > Thx,
>> > Ken G. Brown
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > UI mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
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