Left-arrow for assignment

> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:20:25 -0400
> Dominic Espinosa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've experimented with Squeak a bit, and have also seen the debate on
> > the assignment symbols and how to handle the left-arrow, ':=', and
> > underscore at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5751. However, I want to use
> > the left-arrow in my code. Is this possible? It seems like translation
> > from ':=' to left-arrow and vice-versa should be straightforward
> > (indeed, a sed script could do it).
>
>
> I think that most people agree that the := should be used instead of a left arrow in code.

> To use the left arrow, get a fine-tipped permanent marker and very
> carefully draw an arrow head on the '_' key on your keyboard. Then,
> you can use this key for when you want a left arrow in your code. You
> may need to choose a font that has a left arrow in it as well.
>
> If you want to get fancy (and I encourage you to do so for education's
> sake :-) ), you could try mapping the underscore key to output a left
> arrow character (←, Unicode 0x2190) using whatever your operating
> system provides, and then modify the Squeak compiler to use that for
> modification.

> Indeed, using '_' for assignment seems repugnant to a lot of people.
> Some of the debate in the previous swiki link focused on this aspect,
> and the issues in having '_' have such a non-standard meaning in Squeak,
> as well as the need to use '_' in circumstances other than assignment.
> Maybe left-arrow could be internally represented as
> ':=', filed-out as ':=', etc, but displayed as left-arrow according to
> preferences. Additionally, a key-binding could be used for inserting the
> left-arrow while typing.
>
> I'm not sure what kinds of issues this would raise in how source code is
> represented; I recall someone saying that the representation would have
> to change significantly for this to work. But perhaps there's an easy
> way to do it?

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:40:58AM +1200, Michael van der Gulik wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:20:25 -0400
>> Dominic Espinosa <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've experimented with Squeak a bit, and have also seen the debate  
>>> on
>>> the assignment symbols and how to handle the left-arrow, ':=', and
>>> underscore at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5751. However, I want  
>>> to use
>>> the left-arrow in my code. Is this possible? It seems like  
>>> translation
>>> from ':=' to left-arrow and vice-versa should be straightforward
>>> (indeed, a sed script could do it).
>>
>>
>> I think that most people agree that the := should be used instead  
>> of a left arrow in code.
>
> I can understand a certain preference for ':=' over left-arrow, but  
> this
> is 2008. = ) I don't know why we should stick with ASCII all the time.
> Haskell, for instance, would look a lot nicer with arrow glyphs,  
> lambda,
> and a few other symbols. Since ':=' and left-arrow both just mean
> 'assign' in this circumstance, why not let it be displayed as one or
> the other according to preference?
>
>> To use the left arrow, get a fine-tipped permanent marker and very
>> carefully draw an arrow head on the '_' key on your keyboard. Then,
>> you can use this key for when you want a left arrow in your code. You
>> may need to choose a font that has a left arrow in it as well.
>>
>> If you want to get fancy (and I encourage you to do so for  
>> education's
>> sake :-) ), you could try mapping the underscore key to output a left
>> arrow character (←, Unicode 0x2190) using whatever your operating
>> system provides, and then modify the Squeak compiler to use that for
>> modification.
>
> Indeed, using '_' for assignment seems repugnant to a lot of people.
> Some of the debate in the previous swiki link focused on this aspect,
> and the issues in having '_' have such a non-standard meaning in  
> Squeak,
> as well as the need to use '_' in circumstances other than assignment.
> Maybe left-arrow could be internally represented as
> ':=', filed-out as ':=', etc, but displayed as left-arrow according to
> preferences. Additionally, a key-binding could be used for inserting  
> the
> left-arrow while typing.
>
> I'm not sure what kinds of issues this would raise in how source  
> code is
> represented; I recall someone saying that the representation would  
> have
> to change significantly for this to work. But perhaps there's an easy
> way to do it?

>> ndeed, using '_' for assignment seems repugnant to a lot of people.
>> Some of the debate in the previous swiki link focused on this aspect,
>> and the issues in having '_' have such a non-standard meaning in
>> Squeak,
>> as well as the need to use '_' in circumstances other than  
>> assignment.
>> Maybe left-arrow could be internally represented as
>> ':=', filed-out as ':=', etc, but displayed as left-arrow according  
>> to
>> preferences. Additionally, a key-binding could be used for inserting
>> the
>> left-arrow while typing.
>>
>> I'm not sure what kinds of issues this would raise in how source
>> code is
>> represented; I recall someone saying that the representation would
>> have
>> to change significantly for this to work. But perhaps there's an easy
>> way to do it?
>
> If you use Shout this is exactly how it is working.
>
> - Bert -