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Ken Causey-3

Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Linux and ttyUSB0

http://vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/1495355

Also see the project documentation on http://bugs.squeak.org/ by
clicking 'docs' in the link list near the top.

Ken

On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 00:48 +0100, Séverin Lemaignan wrote:

> Ok, I've submitted a bug (http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7266)
> concerning the serial port issue. I attached along my patch. I don't
> know how to extract a patch from the Squeak image to distribute the
> required modifications to the SerialPort class, but if someone
> explains, I'll happily add it to the bug report.
>
> Bye,
> Séverin
>
>
> > S??verin,
> >
> > Good question. I'm not sure if there is an "official" process for this,
> > but what I would suggest is to open a bug report on Mantis (bugs.squeak.org)
> > and upload your patches there. Then mention the bug report here on the list,
> > and also on the vm-dev list (http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/vm-dev).
> >
> > The primary VM developers watch the vm-dev list (somewhat intermittently)
> > so that will be the best place to figure out how to get your fixes into the
> > Subversion repository.
> >
> > Dave
>
>

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Cameron Sanders-2

[squeak-dev] Vista / CroquetSDK-1.0.18 / how to lose the world menu in 5 seconds or less

In reply to this post by Séverin Lemaignan

So I figured out what was causing the world menus to disappear in Croquet.
And this is different from the unresponsive 3.10.2 images on Vista. I know
this isn't the Croquet list, I am just adding some closure here on one of
the issues I raised in the newbies thread.

The problem is simple: several of the themes (appearance -> theme...)
available in the Croquet zip file cause the world menus to disappear. [I
will look into the details later tonight.]

Specifically, on all three Vista computers here, the themes "keihanna",
"takanawa", and "westwood" cause the world menus to not be raised when
invoked by mouse clicks. [The menu raised by escape generally works, but did
fail in one case.] If you have pinned one of the world menus (or appearance
menus) to the background, or have a workspace open, you can simply select
one of the other themes to get the windows back; specifically:
"outOfTheBox", "personal", "paloAlto", and "smalltalk80" all restore the
world menus to the expected behavior.

This was hard for me to discover, because 1) I hadn't spend a lot of time in
Croquet until everybody informed me how alpha-ish Pharo and 3.10 are, and 2)
many times I wouldn't set the themes, and when I did, there was only a 3 out
of 6 chance I last-selected one of the bad ones (I never chose smalltalk80
because of the strong warnings about losing the flaps), and when I did, I
did not always immediately reach for a root menu - perhaps because I started
pinning menus up after they appeared to be flaky.

--
What a relief... just when I was about to give up on the Croquet release.
So, it seems that Croquet may work for me. I will put in some time and see
if I can find some pattern to the "Vista ignorance" (of mouse and keyboard
events) in 3.10.2.

-Cam

Andreas.Raab

[squeak-dev] Re: Vista / CroquetSDK-1.0.18 / how to lose the world menu in 5 seconds or less

Hi Cameron -

I don't recall seeing your messages otherwise I would have responded
earlier. The problem you are seeing comes from the fact that some of the
preference themes enable the "eToyFriendly" mode. In this mode, the
world menu is deliberately disabled and only accessible via Alt-Shift-W.
If you select such a preference theme and then disable "eToyFriendly"
(in the "scripting" category) the world menu will be back.

Cheers,
- Andreas

Cameron Sanders wrote:

> So I figured out what was causing the world menus to disappear in Croquet.
> And this is different from the unresponsive 3.10.2 images on Vista. I know
> this isn't the Croquet list, I am just adding some closure here on one of
> the issues I raised in the newbies thread.
>
> The problem is simple: several of the themes (appearance -> theme...)
> available in the Croquet zip file cause the world menus to disappear. [I
> will look into the details later tonight.]
>
> Specifically, on all three Vista computers here, the themes "keihanna",
> "takanawa", and "westwood" cause the world menus to not be raised when
> invoked by mouse clicks. [The menu raised by escape generally works, but did
> fail in one case.] If you have pinned one of the world menus (or appearance
> menus) to the background, or have a workspace open, you can simply select
> one of the other themes to get the windows back; specifically:
> "outOfTheBox", "personal", "paloAlto", and "smalltalk80" all restore the
> world menus to the expected behavior.
>
> This was hard for me to discover, because 1) I hadn't spend a lot of time in
> Croquet until everybody informed me how alpha-ish Pharo and 3.10 are, and 2)
> many times I wouldn't set the themes, and when I did, there was only a 3 out
> of 6 chance I last-selected one of the bad ones (I never chose smalltalk80
> because of the strong warnings about losing the flaps), and when I did, I
> did not always immediately reach for a root menu - perhaps because I started
> pinning menus up after they appeared to be flaky.
>
> --
> What a relief... just when I was about to give up on the Croquet release.
> So, it seems that Croquet may work for me. I will put in some time and see
> if I can find some pattern to the "Vista ignorance" (of mouse and keyboard
> events) in 3.10.2.
>
> -Cam
>
>
>

Cameron Sanders-2

RE: [squeak-dev] Re: Vista / CroquetSDK-1.0.18 / how to lose the world menu in 5 seconds or less

Thank you Andreas, you just saved me some time! You also gave me a path out
of that situation: Alt-Shift-W. And you gave me more clues to guide my
explorations of Squeak -- thank you. So much to learn...
Cheers!
-Cam

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menu in 5 seconds or less

Hi Cameron -

I don't recall seeing your messages otherwise I would have responded
earlier. The problem you are seeing comes from the fact that some of the
preference themes enable the "eToyFriendly" mode. In this mode, the
world menu is deliberately disabled and only accessible via Alt-Shift-W.
If you select such a preference theme and then disable "eToyFriendly"
(in the "scripting" category) the world menu will be back.

Cheers,
- Andreas

Cameron Sanders wrote:
> So I figured out what was causing the world menus to disappear in Croquet.
> And this is different from the unresponsive 3.10.2 images on Vista. I know
> this isn't the Croquet list, I am just adding some closure here on one of
> the issues I raised in the newbies thread.

I *suspect* I could safely provide closure to the Pharo0.1 image lock ups --
although I will do some testing with before calling the case closed -- as I
was using the Squeak 3.10.2 VM. I have the impression that should be 3.9.1
... sorry, I somehow missed the labeling... or still have.

>...

Thanks again.
Cheers,
Cam

Séverin Lemaignan

Re: [squeak-dev] Re: Linux and ttyUSB0

In reply to this post by Ken Causey-3

Ok, thanks. ChangeSet added to the bu report.

Séverin

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:42, Ken Causey <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/groups/squeak/videos/1495355
>
> Also see the project documentation on http://bugs.squeak.org/ by
> clicking 'docs' in the link list near the top.
>
> Ken