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Bert Freudenberg

Linux maintainers

Hi VM-Team, Dave,

what's your take in this? We somehow need to establish permanent
contact with the maintainers of the "squeak-vm" package in various
Linux distributions. They operate pretty much autonomously until now ...

Even if we get a fix into svn and Ian did a new release, there is no
established procedure to make sure all the packages get updates.

- Bert -

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jerome Peace <[hidden email]>
> Date: 12. April 2009 23:10:31 MESZ
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix
> it? Hi Chris,
> Reply-To: [hidden email], The general-purpose Squeak
> developers list <[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
> Thank you for your thoughts.
>
> My question is "Who will fix it."
>
> The what will be fixed. And the how it will be fixed. Are close to
> being known.
> Sound works in etoys.
>
> What I am asking is WHO in our community will take on the task of
> making the distribution that Ubuntu gets work with sound.
>
> Or who in our community will provide the financial resources to
> commission it done.
>
> Without someone with the will to make a good distribution we will
> have this problem forever.
>
> Bert says he can help with his knowledge and expertise, but cannot
> be point man on the issue. So the rest of the community needs to
> come up with a point man.
>
> This problem is blocking not only squeak developers but also the
> scratch community.
>
>
> So Community. Who will fix it?
>
> Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
>
>
>
>

David T. Lewis

Re: Linux maintainers

I'm not personally familiar with packaging for Ubuntu, but it seems
from the discussion that we have two gaps to resolve:

1) Providing a VM plus plugins that works for Squeak and eToys on
the necessary Linux distributions (Ubuntu + ?).

2) A person to coordinate work and to ensure that the various
squeak-vm packages are updated in a timely and correct manner.

I'm guessing that #1 can be (perhaps already is?) handled through
Ian's normal packaging and distribution, although I don't know if
Ian has convenient access to the necessary machines (for example,
if producing a VM for Ubuntu involves setting up a new Ubuntu box
on the dining room table, then some help may be in order).

For #2, Jerome is right. We need a volunteer to serve as Linux
distribution coordinator, to make sure that issues are resolved,
timing is met, and squeak-vm packages are produced correctly. It
makes good sense for this to be a defined role for one person on
the VM team. Having said that, I don't know who that person might
be, so I can only repeat Jerome's question: Do we have a volunteer?

Dave

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:08:04AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

>
> Hi VM-Team, Dave,
>
> what's your take in this? We somehow need to establish permanent
> contact with the maintainers of the "squeak-vm" package in various
> Linux distributions. They operate pretty much autonomously until now ...
>
> Even if we get a fix into svn and Ian did a new release, there is no
> established procedure to make sure all the packages get updates.
>
> - Bert -
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> >From: Jerome Peace <[hidden email]>
> >Date: 12. April 2009 23:10:31 MESZ
> >To: [hidden email]
> >Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: Squeak soundless on Ubuntu. Who will fix
> >it? Hi Chris,
> >Reply-To: [hidden email], The general-purpose Squeak
> >developers list <[hidden email]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi Chris,
> >Thank you for your thoughts.
> >
> >My question is "Who will fix it."
> >
> >The what will be fixed. And the how it will be fixed. Are close to
> >being known.
> >Sound works in etoys.
> >
> >What I am asking is WHO in our community will take on the task of
> >making the distribution that Ubuntu gets work with sound.
> >
> >Or who in our community will provide the financial resources to
> >commission it done.
> >
> >Without someone with the will to make a good distribution we will
> >have this problem forever.
> >
> >Bert says he can help with his knowledge and expertise, but cannot
> >be point man on the issue. So the rest of the community needs to
> >come up with a point man.
> >
> >This problem is blocking not only squeak developers but also the
> >scratch community.
> >
> >
> >So Community. Who will fix it?
> >
> >Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace
> >
> >
> >
> >