Hello,
I'm currently studying the Scratch code. The image I have (the BYOB 1.3 image) has a Smalltalk version of 'MIT Squeak 0.9.4 (June 1, 2003)'. How could I find the original corresponding base Squeak image (that is, the same image without Scratch code) ? Stef |
On 29/01/13 13:50, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> Hello, > > I'm currently studying the Scratch code. The image I have (the BYOB > 1.3 image) has a Smalltalk version of 'MIT Squeak 0.9.4 (June 1, > 2003)'. > > How could I find the original corresponding base Squeak image (that > is, the same image without Scratch code) ? > > Stef > In the root project it says it is based on 2.8 which would be here: ftp://ftp.squeak.org/2.8/ |
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On 29/01/13 13:50, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> Hello, > > I'm currently studying the Scratch code. The image I have (the BYOB > 1.3 image) has a Smalltalk version of 'MIT Squeak 0.9.4 (June 1, > 2003)'. > > How could I find the original corresponding base Squeak image (that > is, the same image without Scratch code) ? > > Stef > more specifically: ftp://ftp.squeak.org/2.8/files/ |
Thanks !
Do you think there are differences between 2.8 and MIT 0.9.4 ? Stef |
On 29/01/13 15:02, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> Thanks ! > > Do you think there are differences between 2.8 and MIT 0.9.4 ? > > Stef > In the root project there is a list of changes made to 2.8 along with some image prep actions. Are you migrating Scratch to a newer image? |
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On 2013-01-29, at 16:02, Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks ! > > Do you think there are differences between 2.8 and MIT 0.9.4 ? > > Stef Most likely. Born-in-the-wool Smalltalkers like John treat Squeak as a whole personal system and touch up whatever is needed to make it better suit their purpose. I'm pretty sure you would find changes all over the place. - Bert - |
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> In the root project there is a list of changes made to 2.8 along with
> some image prep actions. Are you migrating Scratch to a newer image? Only if that appears to be manageable. One of my daughters loves Scratch and it would be nice if I could expand it to my (and her) tastes. Now BYOB 3.1 is already very nice as it is. But I'm curious... Stef |
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> In the root project there is a list of changes made to 2.8 along with
> some image prep actions. Where is that exactly ? Stef |
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On 29.01.2013, at 20:11, Stéphane Rollandin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, if you just want to modify it then there is no need for porting, right? Just use the image as it is. If you want to us a modern squeak, then someone else already extracted the important bits, which might be a good starting point: - Bert - |
> Well, if you just want to modify it then there is no need for porting, > right? Just use the image as it is. If I intend to inject some muO stuff in it, that won't do... > http://www.squeaksource.com/nscratch.html I'll have a look, thanks. Stef |
You know that you can "shift click" into the top half of the R of SCRATCH on the top left of Scratch -- then open the rabbit hole via "turn fill screen off"...
Cheers Markus On 29.01.2013, at 21:00, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
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On 1/29/13, Markus Gälli <[hidden email]> wrote:
> You know that you can "shift click" into the top half of the R of SCRATCH on > the top left of Scratch -- then open the rabbit hole via "turn fill screen > off"... > > > Cheers > > Markus Thank you for the tip, Markus. Interesting to note that success of an application does not depend on the age of the image in this case. Nostalgia.... MVC only. --Hannes ScratchAfterOpeningTheRabbitHole.png (35K) Download Attachment |
On 2013-01-29, at 21:29, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 1/29/13, Markus Gälli <[hidden email]> wrote: >> You know that you can "shift click" into the top half of the R of SCRATCH on >> the top left of Scratch -- then open the rabbit hole via "turn fill screen >> off"... >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Markus > > Thank you for the tip, Markus. > > Interesting to note that success of an application does not depend on > the age of the image in this case. Nostalgia.... MVC only. Huh? Scratch is implemented in Morphic. - Bert - |
Scratch beta 2.0 was just released re-implemented in flash today:
http://beta.scratch.mit.edu/projects/editor/ Unfortunately we don't have Morphic for vectors -- do we? Might be a killer app on android tablets and other platforms which don't allow flash but would allow sharing of projects. Markus On 29.01.2013, at 21:35, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 2013-01-29, at 21:29, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 1/29/13, Markus Gälli <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> You know that you can "shift click" into the top half of the R of SCRATCH on >>> the top left of Scratch -- then open the rabbit hole via "turn fill screen >>> off"... >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Markus >> >> Thank you for the tip, Markus. >> >> Interesting to note that success of an application does not depend on >> the age of the image in this case. Nostalgia.... MVC only. > > Huh? Scratch is implemented in Morphic. > > - Bert - > > > |
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On 1/29/13, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Huh? Scratch is implemented in Morphic. > > - Bert - Yes, indeed, you are right. I was mislead by the appearance of the SystemBrowser. --Hannes ScratchIsImplementedInMorphic.png (27K) Download Attachment |
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On 1/29/13, Markus Gälli <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Scratch beta 2.0 was just released re-implemented in flash today: > http://beta.scratch.mit.edu/projects/editor/ What about snap (JavaScript implementation)? http://chirp.scratchr.org/dl/experimental/JsMorphic/snap.html It should run on tablets. The directory is open http://chirp.scratchr.org/dl/experimental/JsMorphic/ The implementation of Morphic.js is very readable. --Hannes > > Unfortunately we don't have Morphic for vectors -- do we? > Might be a killer app on android tablets and other platforms which don't > allow flash but would allow sharing of projects. > > Markus > > > On 29.01.2013, at 21:35, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> >> On 2013-01-29, at 21:29, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> On 1/29/13, Markus Gälli <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> You know that you can "shift click" into the top half of the R of >>>> SCRATCH on >>>> the top left of Scratch -- then open the rabbit hole via "turn fill >>>> screen >>>> off"... >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Markus >>> >>> Thank you for the tip, Markus. >>> >>> Interesting to note that success of an application does not depend on >>> the age of the image in this case. Nostalgia.... MVC only. >> >> Huh? Scratch is implemented in Morphic. >> >> - Bert - >> >> >> > > > |
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 08:46:28PM +0000, H. Hirzel wrote:
> On 1/29/13, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Huh? Scratch is implemented in Morphic. > > > > - Bert - > > Yes, indeed, you are right. I was mislead by the appearance of the > SystemBrowser. > > --Hannes Well, it was implemented in an image for which MVC was still fully functional. Does that count? 'finish ToolBuilder support for MVC debugger' notMyResponsibility ;-) Dave p.s. Jokes aside, I really *would* like to get MVC working properly again, while also maintaining its status as a reloadable package. I really wish Andreas could be here to offer guidance and counsel, but I'm sure we can figure it out on our own, it just might take a little longer. I think I'm going to make that a personal objective for 2013. |
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I think for music (muO) Stephane is better off with Squeak or Pharo
implementations of Scratch, as Bert suggested. Nevertheless, Hannes Hirzel wrote a very interesting post: > What about snap (JavaScript implementation)? > > http://chirp.scratchr.org/dl/experimental/JsMorphic/snap.html > > It should run on tablets. SNAP! is version 4 of BYOB, so it will have the fun computer-sciency bits that BYOB added to Scratch, and which should give Scratch a higher ceiling. You should also find Jens Moenig's two pre-release articles interesting: http://www.chirp.scratchr.org/blog/?p=39 ("Enjoy it on your iPad!") http://www.chirp.scratchr.org/blog/?p=34 Markus Gaelli wrote: >> Unfortunately we don't have Morphic for vectors -- do we? >> Might be a killer app on android tablets and other platforms which don't >> allow flash but would allow sharing of projects. I might be wrong, but I think Dan Ingalls's Lively Kernel research is Morphic for vectors (specifically SVG) http://www.lively-kernel.org/ (The Google Play store has the Adobe Air client for ARMv7 upwards. But HTML5 is a lot less hassle for users. Didn't Adobe announce an end-of-life plan for its Flash/Shockwave/Air clients in favour of HTML5?) In my opinion, Scratch, as a bitmap app, already has potential to be a killer app on tablets and smartphones. Yet if someone builds collaborative toys and games around a vector and touch-based Morphic, I think they will be embarking on a rewarding project. On the same topic, we need great ideas for a touch user experience for Morphic Etoys over at Squeakland. It is pretty urgent as the single-touch OLPC tablet is out soon, and those lovely scripting tiles need fine motor control, tiny fingers, a two-button mouse and a keyboard. http://squeakland.org/discuss/squeakland/ Have fun! David |
I believe that Lively was switched to canvas.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:03 AM, David Corking <[hidden email]> wrote: I think for music (muO) Stephane is better off with Squeak or Pharo |
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