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Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Christoph Thiede

Hi all,


do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as far as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.


Here is the header of the relevant version:


---

Name: Tests-ct.449
Author: ct
Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
Ancestors: Tests-nice.447

Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉

---


Best,

Christoph



Carpe Squeak!
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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Tobias Pape
Not the mailer, but the squeaksource image for sure.
Hope you did not disturb it ;)
-t

> On 12. Apr 2021, at 21:35, Thiede, Christoph <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as far as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
>
> Here is the header of the relevant version:
>
> ---
> Name: Tests-ct.449
> Author: ct
> Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
> ---
>
> Best,
> Christoph



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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Levente Uzonyi
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Hi Christoph,

It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
messages properly.
Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
quite a bit:

Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
>
> do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as far
> as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
>
>
> Here is the header of the relevant version:
>
>
> ---
>
> Name: Tests-ct.449
> Author: ct
> Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
>
> ---
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
>
>

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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Christoph Thiede

Hi Levente,


I see your point, but maybe it would be a better idea to choose another fallback character for unknown characters instead of sticking with these old character limitations. :-) That question mark has confused me already too often. Maybe something like ï¿½ or â–¡? But we would need to patch all fonts in the image to make this possible ...


Best,

Christoph


Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 23:47:28
An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?
 
Hi Christoph,

It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
messages properly.
Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
quite a bit:

Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
>
> do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as far
> as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
>
>
> Here is the header of the relevant version:
>
>
> ---
>
> Name: Tests-ct.449
> Author: ct
> Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
>
> ---
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
>
>


Carpe Squeak!
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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Levente Uzonyi
Hi Christoph,

either that or the image could support unicode characters. :)
Btw, my text-based email client doesn't support that character either.
It shows an inverted question mark instead.


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi Levente,
>
>
> I see your point, but maybe it would be a better idea to choose another fallback character for unknown characters instead of sticking with these old character limitations. :-) That question mark has confused me already too
> often. Maybe something like ??? or □? But we would need to patch all fonts in the image to make this possible ...
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 23:47:28
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?  
> Hi Christoph,
>
> It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
> messages properly.
> Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
> a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
> quite a bit:
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?
>
>
> Levente
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as
> far
> > as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
> >
> >
> > Here is the header of the relevant version:
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Name: Tests-ct.449
> > Author: ct
> > Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> > UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> > Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
> >
> > Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Nicolas Cellier
The fun of it is that the package cannot be browsed nor moved to treated via web interface...
Or try https://source.squeak.org/inbox.html and click on News...
It will have to be removed manually (unless we fix more unicode at server side...)

Le lun. 12 avr. 2021 à 23:56, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi Christoph,

either that or the image could support unicode characters. :)
Btw, my text-based email client doesn't support that character either.
It shows an inverted question mark instead.


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi Levente,
>
>
> I see your point, but maybe it would be a better idea to choose another fallback character for unknown characters instead of sticking with these old character limitations. :-) That question mark has confused me already too
> often. Maybe something like ??? or □? But we would need to patch all fonts in the image to make this possible ...
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 23:47:28
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?  
> Hi Christoph,
>
> It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
> messages properly.
> Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
> a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
> quite a bit:
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?
>
>
> Levente
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as
> far
> > as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
> >
> >
> > Here is the header of the relevant version:
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Name: Tests-ct.449
> > Author: ct
> > Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> > UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> > Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
> >
> > Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Christoph Thiede

Or try https://source.squeak.org/inbox.html and click on News...


Ouch. Sorry for that ...


Can't you remove it via Monticello? Or will the problem be solved just by merging it and uploading another version on top of it?


Best,

Christoph


Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2021 18:51:02
An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?
 
The fun of it is that the package cannot be browsed nor moved to treated via web interface...
Or try https://source.squeak.org/inbox.html and click on News...
It will have to be removed manually (unless we fix more unicode at server side...)

Le lun. 12 avr. 2021 à 23:56, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi Christoph,

either that or the image could support unicode characters. :)
Btw, my text-based email client doesn't support that character either.
It shows an inverted question mark instead.


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi Levente,
>
>
> I see your point, but maybe it would be a better idea to choose another fallback character for unknown characters instead of sticking with these old character limitations. :-) That question mark has confused me already too
> often. Maybe something like ??? or â–¡? But we would need to patch all fonts in the image to make this possible ...
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 23:47:28
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?  
> Hi Christoph,
>
> It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
> messages properly.
> Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
> a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
> quite a bit:
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?
>
>
> Levente
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as
> far
> > as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
> >
> >
> > Here is the header of the relevant version:
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Name: Tests-ct.449
> > Author: ct
> > Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> > UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> > Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
> >
> > Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: Mail daemon problems with Unicode?

Nicolas Cellier


Le mar. 13 avr. 2021 à 19:00, Thiede, Christoph <[hidden email]> a écrit :

> Or try https://source.squeak.org/inbox.html and click on News...


Ouch. Sorry for that ...


Never mind, the server has already improved, but is not an example of continuous deployment, no matter how agile Squeak can be... Maintenance means lots of efforts from very few persons, so our attitude is kinda conservative. Losing the server is the last thing that we want (it happened in the past for squeaksource.com, for ever if a user put a Character value > 255 in its initials...).

Can't you remove it via Monticello? Or will the problem be solved just by merging it and uploading another version on top of it?

I had thought of overloading a newer version, but I don't know what happens at image side, or whether or copy of overriden is kept or what... I prefer to let the authorities deal with it.

Best,

Christoph


Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Nicolas Cellier <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2021 18:51:02
An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?
 
The fun of it is that the package cannot be browsed nor moved to treated via web interface...
Or try https://source.squeak.org/inbox.html and click on News...
It will have to be removed manually (unless we fix more unicode at server side...)

Le lun. 12 avr. 2021 à 23:56, Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]> a écrit :
Hi Christoph,

either that or the image could support unicode characters. :)
Btw, my text-based email client doesn't support that character either.
It shows an inverted question mark instead.


Levente

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:

>
> Hi Levente,
>
>
> I see your point, but maybe it would be a better idea to choose another fallback character for unknown characters instead of sticking with these old character limitations. :-) That question mark has confused me already too
> often. Maybe something like ??? or □? But we would need to patch all fonts in the image to make this possible ...
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christoph
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> Von: Squeak-dev <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Levente Uzonyi <[hidden email]>
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. April 2021 23:47:28
> An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
> Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Mail daemon problems with Unicode?  
> Hi Christoph,
>
> It's more likely that squeaksource doesn't handle WideStrings in commit
> messages properly.
> Also, I discourage the use of emojis in commit messages. Yours appears as
> a question mark in my image, which changes the meaning of the message
> quite a bit:
>
> Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works ?
>
>
> Levente
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > do the mail daemons that are responsible for informing the list about new inbox/trunk versions (probably a part of SqueakSource) have a problem with Unicode? My inbox version Tests-ct.449 was uploaded to the inbox, but as
> far
> > as I can see, a notification email did not arrive. However, older and newer versions were announced as usual.
> >
> >
> > Here is the header of the relevant version:
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Name: Tests-ct.449
> > Author: ct
> > Time: 12 April 2021, 9:20:22.70324 pm
> > UUID: f8408deb-6994-0e40-aff1-b3c551b424c4
> > Ancestors: Tests-nice.447
> >
> > Removes #testHandlerFromAction from expectedFailures because it now finally works 🎉
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> >
> >
>
>