Mark and space parity

I ran across a device (barcode scanner) that uses space parity and dug into vm code to see if it was indeed going to be a problem.  This is not a debate on whether or not the designers of the device could have chosen something else: clearly they should have.  The question is whether our vms should be able to communicate with it, and they should where possible.

It is not clear whether Linux even supports space parity, though there are hints that recent kernels do so.  Windows certainly does support it.  Have any of you made the required changes and had success with it?  On which operating system(s)?

Bill

Not sure about space parity. Every scanner we've used is programmable by barcode though. Not had any issues on Linux or Winows.

Regards, Gary

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On 11 Sep 2010, at 14:42, "Schwab,Wilhelm K" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> I ran across a device (barcode scanner) that uses space parity and dug into vm code to see if it was indeed going to be a problem.  This is not a debate on whether or not the designers of the device could have chosen something else: clearly they should have.  The question is whether our vms should be able to communicate with it, and they should where possible.
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> It is not clear whether Linux even supports space parity, though there are hints that recent kernels do so.  Windows certainly does support it.  Have any of you made the required changes and had success with it?  On which operating system(s)?
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> Bill
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Tony,  I *almost* understand that, and greatly appreciate your reply.  Compiling a new vm is getting to be routine, mostly because I find its diagnostic output to be far less than I typically want when sorting out a problem.  Certainly the Windows vm goes out of its way to fail on valid settings and should be changed to allow parity values 3 and 4; the Linux vm might also benefit from relaxing its checks.

The interesting part is that I don't need to send to the device, only read from it.  If my notes are correct, it is 7S2.

Gary, re programming by barcode, are you thinking that I might be able to get the scanner to use different settings?  I wondered about that last night.  There is a fairly extensive book full of barcodes that I believe are for changing the scanner's behavior.  In your experience, are such changes stored in persistent store (flash, eprom, etc.), or are they transient such that they typically have to be restored each time the scanner loses power?  If I can get it to use something friendly to the vm and stay that way, that might be a good solution.

Bill



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From: Tony Garnock-Jones [[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:44 PM
To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Cc: Schwab,Wilhelm K; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Mark and space parity

Hi Bill,

Based on http://www.lothosoft.ch/thomas/libmip/markspaceparity.php, it looks
like you're set if you need 7S1. If you need 8S1, however, the options for
linux are

 - flip between 8N1 and 8E1 depending on the byte to send, or
 - use the undocumented CMSPAR flag.

Given that the SerialPort class in Squeak uses 0, 1, 2 for no, even and odd
parity respectively, and the sqUnixSerial.c driver doesn't support any other
kinds of parity specification (see the table parityTypeDecode), ruling out the
use of CMSPAR, your only option (aside from modifying the SerialPlugin or
writing your own) is to flip between 8N1 and 8E1 for each byte. Unfortunately
it doesn't look like there's a way to get at tcsetattr without also doing an
open, so there goes that idea as well.

In summary: 7S1 ought to be OK (use 8N1 with a cleared 8th bit), but I suspect
that 8S1 is out of reach without changes to the SerialPlugin.

Regards,
  Tony



On 11/09/2010 09:42, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> I ran across a device (barcode scanner) that uses space parity and dug into vm code to see if it was indeed going to be a problem.  This is not a debate on whether or not the designers of the device could have chosen something else: clearly they should have.  The question is whether our vms should be able to communicate with it, and they should where possible.
>
> It is not clear whether Linux even supports space parity, though there are hints that recent kernels do so.  Windows certainly does support it.  Have any of you made the required changes and had success with it?  On which operating system(s)?
>
> Bill
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On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 09:42:57AM -0400, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
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> I ran across a device (barcode scanner) that uses space parity and dug into vm code to see if it was indeed going to be a problem.  This is not a debate on whether or not the designers of the device could have chosen something else: clearly they should have.  The question is whether our vms should be able to communicate with it, and they should where possible.
>
> It is not clear whether Linux even supports space parity, though there are hints that recent kernels do so.  Windows certainly does support it.  Have any of you made the required changes and had success with it?  On which operating system(s)?
>
> Bill

man 1 stty

This has nothing to do with the VM, and there is nothing wrong with
your barcode scanner. Just set your /dev/ttywhatever to ignore the
parity bit and you should be good to go. Space parity means that the
scanner is generating the parity bit, but it's alway zero so you should
ignore it.

Dave

Thanks to all who replied.  I will try reprogramming the reader to 8n1 and see if that sticks.  I still think there is room for the vm to be less aggressive in failing over valid parity values, certainly on Windows now and perhaps on Linux either now or in the future (once support for mark and space becomes wide spread, which I suspect will eventually happen).  If Microsoft figured out how to deal with something, we should be able to do at least as well :)

Bill