I see I have more and more materials to study. You have mentioned many
thing that is very interesting, so I will look how this is done and why.
> The answer is: a costume is considered it's own thing precisely when
> the user says so.
>
>
>
> That sounds like a platitude, but I intend every word of it.
>
> For example, in Brie (but you could imagine similar stuff in Melia or
> any of it's references):
>
> * Croquet users observe objects through interactors/filters (3D
> viewing windows), which can be shared or private. Objects have a view
> for each interactor that is only visible when seen through that
> interactor. Of course, interactors stack, and one interactor's view
> is another's object.
>
> *The default interactor behavior is to map left mouse click to #use.
> The default #use behavior of a view is to #select the object that it
> is a view of. However, buttons typically do something else on #use.
> The selection state is held by the interactor.
>
> * The default interactor behavior is to map right mouse click to
> #author. An #author gesture is typically handled by a #authorSelect of
> the view object, which suppresses any temptation for the view to act out.
>
> Thus "left click for normal use, right click to get inside of stuff
> for authoring. Fences -- but very low fences.
>
>
http://opencroquet.org/Site%20PDFs/2006%20BrieUserExperience.pdf> (From last year's C5. Section 6 is most apropos of para-selection, but
> of course I hope for folks to read all in order.)
>
> -Howard
>
> On Jan 25, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
>
>> Hi --
>>
>> The costumes are supposed to be separate. An example in Croquet is
>> that when you go from a world where you might look like the Rabbit
>> into the waterworld, you change into a fish. Also, Croquet has done a
>> lot of experimentation with filtered viewing, which is worth looking
>> at. Logical separation is one thing, but there is also the question
>> of identity, namely, when is a view of something to be taken as a
>> manifestation of the thing, and when should it be considered a new
>> thing?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 12:37 AM 1/25/2007, Adrin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I looked closer to Etoys and Sophie and have pretty much to study.
>>>
>>> But there is one thing, almost philosophical thing, what makes Melia
>>> different. If I em correct, costumes and halos are extensions
>>> applied to objects. Object will live with these extensions. In Melia
>>> I try to really separate object from its possible visualization and
>>> possible set of modification tools. I could be able to drag&drop
>>> object from one window to another and object will change its
>>> appearance dynamically. For this matter I must define standard
>>> interface (in Melia I use archetype addressing - cool term isn't it?
>>> :) I do it, because I still try to follow real world working with
>>> objects - take it, look at it, focus on part of it, modify it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> Alan Kay napsal(a):
>>>> Hi --
>>>>
>>>> I looked at your website and I think this is a good idea
>>>> (especially if you don't require window boundaries around objects
>>>> -- this has always been one of the most misunderstood properties of
>>>> the PARC Smalltalk GUI).
>>>>
>>>> Historically, one of the first times this was done, pretty much
>>>> exactly as you suggest, was the object-by-object editing as a halo
>>>> of controls, and I think first implemented by Ted Kaehler at PARC
>>>> in one of the very first attempts at doing a DTP system that
>>>> combined modeless text editing with embedded pictures. This was
>>>> before Smalltalk-76 as I recall. Here's a picture I found in the
>>>> Early History of Smalltalk paper for HOPL II.
>>>>
>>>> Emacs!
>>>>
>>>> The larger version of this picture (which I don't have handy on my
>>>> machine in Japan) shows that this illustration is embedded in a
>>>> galley of text paragraphs. The idea in this interface was that when
>>>> you touch any object, it should show its editing interface as a
>>>> frame or halo around the object. Some remnants of this idea are to
>>>> be seen in the Etoys halo of handles, and its "costume"
>>>> architecture, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> At 02:17 AM 1/23/2007, Adrin wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I just completed first stage of draft Melia GUI concept. I like to
>>>>> ask you, what is wrong, what is good, how to continue and so on...
>>>>> Please look here:
http://adrin.ic.cz/Wiki/index.php?n=GUI.GUI>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Adam.
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