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Aleksej-3

Monticello -- where is it?

Hello

May be a silly question.
The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?

Good luck.
Aleksej

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Ron Teitelbaum

RE: Monticello -- where is it?

Hello Aleksej,

I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start
with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting
of to change the world.

There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most
important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's
job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when
two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code
branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts
(thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you
(don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.

There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just
talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is
updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically
when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in
your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like
www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects,
store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.

How-to!

On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the
Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to
your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package
on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in
multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.

To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on
the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type
repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:

MCHttpRepository
location: 'http://foo.com/bar'
user: 'squeak'
password: 'squeak'

you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested
in. For example

MCHttpRepository
location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography'
user: ''
password: ''

if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them
to the string.

After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button.
This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the
repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the
right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a
history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good
starting point.

When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello
browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want
to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select
the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You
should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.

There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using
Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version
numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about
these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is
interested.

Hope that helps,

Happy coding

Ron Teitelbaum
President / Principal Software Engineer
US Medical Record Specialists
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aleksej
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
>
> Hello
>
> May be a silly question.
> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>
> Good luck.
> Aleksej
>
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Patty Gadegast

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

Hi,

last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak. There
the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I collected a few
links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:

Here they are:

http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/

And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it, sorry,
but the file is not that large), but it is in written in german
language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody except
germans ;)

best regards,

Patty

Ron Teitelbaum schrieb:

> Hello Aleksej,
>
> I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start
> with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting
> of to change the world.
>
> There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most
> important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's
> job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when
> two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code
> branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts
> (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you
> (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
>
> There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just
> talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is
> updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically
> when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in
> your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like
> www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects,
> store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
>
> How-to!
>
> On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the
> Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to
> your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package
> on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in
> multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
>
> To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on
> the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type
> repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
>
> MCHttpRepository
> location: 'http://foo.com/bar'
> user: 'squeak'
> password: 'squeak'
>
> you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested
> in. For example
>
> MCHttpRepository
> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography'
> user: ''
> password: ''
>
> if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them
> to the string.
>
> After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button.
> This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the
> repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the
> right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a
> history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good
> starting point.
>
> When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello
> browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want
> to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select
> the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You
> should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.
>
> There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using
> Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version
> numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about
> these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is
> interested.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Happy coding
>
> Ron Teitelbaum
> President / Principal Software Engineer
> US Medical Record Specialists
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:beginners-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aleksej
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> May be a silly question.
>> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
>> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Aleksej
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>
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stephane ducasse-2

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

In reply to this post by Aleksej-3

have a look at my videos:

http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/Videos/

they show step by step how to create a package and publish code on
sqeuaksource using Monticello

stef
On 12 sept. 06, at 18:08, Aleksej wrote:

> Hello
>
> May be a silly question.
> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>
> Good luck.
> Aleksej
>
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Brad Fuller

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

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Aleksej wrote:
> Hello
>
> May be a silly question.
> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>
After it is installed, to run:
left-click to get World Menu
Select Open...
Select Monticello Browser

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sonaural: www.sonaural.com
personal: www.bradfuller.com
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Sophie424

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

In reply to this post by Ron Teitelbaum

Thank you so much for this write-up, Ron!

I've used Monticello a few times just to get other people's published
packages, yet everytime I need to get into it I get a bit of a sinking
feeling :-( I really like what the tool does under the covers, but don't
find the UI intuitive (for an irregular user like me) and have to stop and
re-think what I learned each time.

May I suggest this go on http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ ? Hope the UI in
a future version can be made a bit less intimidating to newbie users.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Teitelbaum" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Aleksej'" <[hidden email]>; "'A friendly place to get answers to even
the most basic questionsaboutSqueak.'"
<[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?

> Hello Aleksej,
>
> I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to
> start
> with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting
> of to change the world.
>
> There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most
> important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager.
> It's
> job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts
> (when
> two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code
> branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts
> (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you
> (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
>
> There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just
> talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and
> is
> updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or
> automatically
> when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it
> in
> your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like
> www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects,
> store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
>
> How-to!
>
> On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the
> Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added
> to
> your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package
> on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in
> multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
>
> To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on
> the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type
> repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
>
> MCHttpRepository
> location: 'http://foo.com/bar'
> user: 'squeak'
> password: 'squeak'
>
> you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested
> in. For example
>
> MCHttpRepository
> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography'
> user: ''
> password: ''
>
> if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them
> to the string.
>
> After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open
> button.
> This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the
> repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the
> right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a
> history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a
> good
> starting point.
>
> When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello
> browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want
> to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it.
> Select
> the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You
> should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept
> it.
>
> There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using
> Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version
> numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about
> these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is
> interested.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Happy coding
>
> Ron Teitelbaum
> President / Principal Software Engineer
> US Medical Record Specialists
> [hidden email]
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:beginners-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aleksej
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> May be a silly question.
>> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
>> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Aleksej
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Beginners mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

In reply to this post by Patty Gadegast

Hi all,

Patty thanks a lot for your links a tutorial (It's a shame that I don't
understand German :-/ ). ¿Do you have the "sources" of the pdf ones?.
¿Are they licensed in a way that gives permission for redistribution and
change (for example under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike
License)?

Thanks a lot,

Offray

peppermint-patty escribió:

> Hi,
>
> last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak.
> There the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I
> collected a few links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:
>
> Here they are:
>
> http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/
> http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello
> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/
>
> And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it,
> sorry, but the file is not that large), but it is in written in german
> language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody except
> germans ;)
>
> best regards,
>
> Patty
>

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Patty Gadegast

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

In reply to this post by Sophie424

There are a lot of tools in Squeak, that are not very intutiv and
userfriendly designed, a lot of the system itself is difficult to use if
you are not used to it.
Hopefully we can redesign this tools any day, maybe next year ;) We will
see...

Patty

itsme213 schrieb:

> Thank you so much for this write-up, Ron!
>
> I've used Monticello a few times just to get other people's published
> packages, yet everytime I need to get into it I get a bit of a sinking
> feeling :-( I really like what the tool does under the covers, but
> don't find the UI intuitive (for an irregular user like me) and have
> to stop and re-think what I learned each time.
>
> May I suggest this go on http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ ? Hope the
> UI in a future version can be made a bit less intimidating to newbie
> users.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Teitelbaum" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Aleksej'" <[hidden email]>; "'A friendly place to get answers
> to even the most basic questionsaboutSqueak.'"
> <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
>
>
>> Hello Aleksej,
>>
>> I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to
>> start
>> with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before
>> starting
>> of to change the world.
>>
>> There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most
>> important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version
>> manager. It's
>> job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts
>> (when
>> two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code
>> branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts
>> (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you
>> (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
>>
>> There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's
>> just
>> talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you
>> and is
>> updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or
>> automatically
>> when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find
>> it in
>> your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like
>> www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define
>> projects,
>> store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
>>
>> How-to!
>>
>> On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up
>> the
>> Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already
>> added to
>> your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each
>> package
>> on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in
>> multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
>>
>> To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the
>> package on
>> the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type
>> repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
>>
>> MCHttpRepository
>> location: 'http://foo.com/bar'
>> user: 'squeak'
>> password: 'squeak'
>>
>> you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are
>> interested
>> in. For example
>>
>> MCHttpRepository
>> location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography'
>> user: ''
>> password: ''
>>
>> if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add
>> them
>> to the string.
>>
>> After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open
>> button.
>> This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the
>> repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the
>> right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or
>> view a
>> history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's
>> a good
>> starting point.
>>
>> When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello
>> browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you
>> want
>> to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it.
>> Select
>> the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You
>> should always type in some notes as to what change you made then
>> accept it.
>>
>> There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using
>> Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version
>> numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation
>> about
>> these things available on-line but we could talk about those if
>> anyone is
>> interested.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>>
>> Happy coding
>>
>> Ron Teitelbaum
>> President / Principal Software Engineer
>> US Medical Record Specialists
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:beginners-
>>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aleksej
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> May be a silly question.
>>> The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how
>>> to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> Aleksej
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Beginners mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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Patty Gadegast

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

In reply to this post by Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas

Hi Offray,

the sources of this tutorial (you mean i.e. the Open Office document
that is editable?) are free too, I think. But to make sure whether I am
right, I have to ask somebody.
But why do you need them?

Patty

Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas schrieb:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Patty thanks a lot for your links a tutorial (It's a shame that I
> don't understand German :-/ ). ¿Do you have the "sources" of the pdf
> ones?. ¿Are they licensed in a way that gives permission for
> redistribution and change (for example under a Creative Commons
> Attribution Share Alike License)?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Offray
>
> peppermint-patty escribió:
>> Hi,
>>
>> last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak.
>> There the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I
>> collected a few links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:
>>
>> Here they are:
>>
>> http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/
>> http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello
>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/
>>
>> And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it,
>> sorry, but the file is not that large), but it is in written in
>> german language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody
>> except germans ;)
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> Patty
>>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________
>
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> el consentimiento oficial de la PONTIFICIA UNIVERSIDAD JAVERIANA. Este
> mensaje es confidencial y puede contener informacion privilegiada la
> cual no puede ser usada ni divulgada a personas distintas de su
> destinatario. Esta prohibida la retencion, grabacion, utilizacion,
> aprovechamiento o divulgacion con cualquier proposito. Si por error
> recibe este mensaje, por favor destruya su contenido y avise a su
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Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas

Re: Monticello -- where is it?

Hi Patty,

peppermint-p escribió:
> Hi Offray,
>
> the sources of this tutorial (you mean i.e. the Open Office document
> that is editable?) are free too, I think. But to make sure whether I
> am right, I have to ask somebody.
> But why do you need them?
>
> Patty

Yep, I'm meaning the OpenOffice editable sources of the pdf files. I
need them because I'm using Squeak in my classes in Colombia and having
spanish material would be fine for teaching purposes and talks locally.
So, if you can help me with that sources, that would be a lot of help.

Thanks,

Offray

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