Morphs dropped from 3.10?

Hello,

 

I just tried 3.10beta.7143 and it seems that it dropped some morphs which were present in the 3.9 ObjectsTool:

 

BlobMorph

ClipboardMorph

FishEyeMorph

MovingEyeMorph

MPEGMoviePlayerMorph

RulerMorph

WatchMorph

 

What is the reason behind this? Will the final image contain them?

 

Best regards, Jan
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El 10/5/07 12:11 PM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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Jan, sorry I have bad news:

3.10 is the first release without some things you have in previous Squeak,
not only without some Morphs.

But I plan have a non official FunSqueak 3.10
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5988
I update when have some time.
We almost in gamma now, send feedback of newbie needs in a Welcome window.
I hope could persuade Ralph to have one....

Edgar


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On 10/5/07, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 3.10 is the first release without some things you have in previous Squeak,
> not only without some Morphs.

In fact, 3,9 did not have the games from 3.8.  For a long time, Squeak
experts have been complaining that the image is too big.  Things need
to be taken out of Squeak and put into separate packages.  3.10 is
continuing to move along this line.  I predict that future releases of
Squeak will be even smaller, i.e. even more things will be removed
from the base image.

Fortunately, Package Universe makes it very easy to describe a
configuration of packages and to reload all of them with one click of
the mouse.  So, the squeak-dev image is much bigger than any of the
images that has been distributed in the past.

-Ralph Johnson
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>> 3.10 is the first release without some things you have in previous Squeak,

>> not only without some Morphs.

 

Could you please point me to some overview of the changes?

 

(Removal of e.g. WatchMorph is not mentioned in the „History of the 3.10 release.“)

>In fact, 3,9 did not have the games from 3.8.  For a long time, Squeak
>experts have been complaining that the image is too big.  Things need
>to be taken out of Squeak and put into separate packages.  3.10 is
>continuing to move along this line.  I predict that future releases of
>Squeak will be even smaller, i.e. even more things will be removed
>from the base image.

I do not see big differences in size:

 

3.9-final-7067 16,405,928 bytes

3.10beta.7143 16,669,808 bytes

 

Perhaps some other changes made the 3.10 image bigger?

>Fortunately, Package Universe makes it very easy to describe a
>configuration of packages and to reload all of them with one click of
>the mouse.  So, the squeak-dev image is much bigger than any of the
>images that has been distributed in the past.

I looked at all items offered by Package Universe Browser but no package name seemed to suggest that it contains the dropped morphs. Fortunately, I found following message which says how to load them:

 

http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-October/121153.html

Jan

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El 10/10/07 5:53 PM, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
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> Could you please point me to some overview of the changes?
See ReleaseBuilderFor3dot10 unloadMorphicClasses and unloadSome

> Perhaps some other changes made the 3.10 image bigger?
The Test alone is very big.
I wish reshape all classes with Test as a huge package , take out of image
and people could load or not.
This idea was discarded, maybe next release could reconsider it.
And now you have Universes and Installer , for more easy ways to have things
into.
The idea is not only mb size counts, less packages also.
> I looked at all items offered by Package Universe Browser but no package name
> seemed to suggest that it contains the dropped morphs. Fortunately, I found
> following message which says how to load them:
>
>  
>
>
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2007-October/121153.html

Yes , I don't do separate packages for all.
His owners should do.

I lobby for having again the Welcome Window , with all relevant info ,
special for all in this list.

Edgar




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