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Sean P. DeNigris

Jun 02, 2010; 9:34pm

Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

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>I have never been able to distinguish my workplace from home. I therefore have just one place, where I both live and work. Instead, I frequently change countries. >Just (half) kidding ;-) lol! It seems like I (and the OP?) maybe never really "got" projects, and so never experienced the dark side. After this conversation, it seems clear that we're desiring a multiple-world feature (which projects could be used for in Squeak). Sean p.s. I'm glad we had this thread because I always wondered what the resistance to multiple worlds (how I thought of projects) was! It has been the biggest missing feature that prevented me from using Pharo for all my work, and has me split between a Pharo image for client development, and a Squeak image for everything else.
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Stéphane Ducasse

Jun 03, 2010; 5:43am

Re: Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

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there is a key point in all this thread.
we are not against ideas.
We loved etoys and I did more presentations about it than probably 95% of the squeakers population
now we do not like its implementation because it hurts us.
Same for projects. Simple.

Stef

On Jun 2, 2010, at 11:34 PM, DeNigris Sean wrote:

> >I have never been able to distinguish my workplace from home. I therefore have just one place, where I both live and work. Instead, I frequently change countries.
>
> >Just (half) kidding ;-)
>
> lol!
>
> It seems like I (and the OP?) maybe never really "got" projects, and so never experienced the dark side.
>
> After this conversation, it seems clear that we're desiring a multiple-world feature (which projects could be used for in Squeak).
>
> Sean
>
> p.s. I'm glad we had this thread because I always wondered what the resistance to multiple worlds (how I thought of projects) was! It has been the biggest missing feature that prevented me from using Pharo for all my work, and has me split between a Pharo image for client development, and a Squeak image for everything else.
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Sean P. DeNigris

Jun 03, 2010; 12:29pm

Re: Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

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Stéphane Ducasse wrote

there is a key point in all this thread.
we are not against ideas.

Ha ha, I never thought otherwise :)

Stéphane Ducasse wrote

We loved etoys and I did more presentations about it than probably 95% of the squeakers population
now we do not like its implementation because it hurts us.
Same for projects. Simple.

Yes, I got that. That's why I forked this thread - to refocus on the multiple world feature, and away from the existing project implementation.

I'll add the mockup to my todo list (with key bindings at the top), but the immediate future will be working on a commercial project in Pharo - yay!

Sean

Cheers,
Sean

Jochen Riekhof

Jun 03, 2010; 7:11pm

Re: Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

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Ok, found time to hack up a /very preliminary/ test class that allows me to switch between PasteUpMorphs by name. It would be nice if someone could tell me if what I did is reasonable (I did not use Squeak/Pharo for looong time).
It might e.g. well be that I use methods intended for Project that will go away soon

Just file in JRWorldManager and evaluate in a workspace

JRWorldManager instance createOrSwitchToWorldNamed: 'JustAnotherWorld'.

you should be carried to a new empty world.

To switch back, use

JRWorldManager instance createOrSwitchToWorldNamed: 'Pharo'.

(I hope that attachments work in this list).

Ciao

...Jochen

Am 03.06.2010 um 14:29 schrieb Sean P. DeNigris:

>
>
> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> there is a key point in all this thread.
>> we are not against ideas.
>>
> Ha ha, I never thought otherwise :)
>
>
> Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>
>> We loved etoys and I did more presentations about it than probably 95% of
>> the squeakers population
>> now we do not like its implementation because it hurts us.
>> Same for projects. Simple.
>>
> Yes, I got that. That's why I forked this thread - to refocus on the
> multiple world feature, and away from the existing project implementation.
>
> I'll add the mockup to my todo list (with key bindings at the top), but the
> immediate future will be working on a commercial project in Pharo - yay!
>
> Sean
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Stéphane Ducasse

Jun 04, 2010; 11:53am

Re: Multiple Worlds (was Re: Can I use Projects in Pharo?)

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I really like the idea that your tried.

I tried in 1.1 and I got a beWorldForProject: is not understood.

But continue this sounds interesting.
and may be this is what people needs.

On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jochen Riekhof wrote:

> JRWorldManager instance createOrSwitchToWorldNamed: 'JustAnotherWorld'.

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Jochen Riekhof

Jun 04, 2010; 4:43pm

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> I tried in 1.1 and I got a beWorldForProject: is not understood.

Hmm, I thought so, as you promised, all the old support for Squeak Projects goes away :-).

>
> But continue this sounds interesting.
> and may be this is what people needs.

Yep, I will.

Ciao

...Jochen

Am 04.06.2010 um 13:53 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse:

> I really like the idea that your tried.
>
> I tried in 1.1 and I got a beWorldForProject: is not understood.
>
> But continue this sounds interesting.
> and may be this is what people needs.
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Jochen Riekhof wrote:
>
>> JRWorldManager instance createOrSwitchToWorldNamed: 'JustAnotherWorld'.
>
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