New Topic To Beat Into the Ground

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Smith [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:15 AM
> To: vwnc >> "VWNC, "
> Subject: Re: New Topic To Beat Into the Ground
>
> I have not said too much here, and partly because I only started using
> the RB when it became the default browser
> for VW.
>
> However -- here are my overall comments
>
> 1. reduct the menu-bar to be browser things rather than browser-pane
> things, let right-click do the work
>        in the panes and don't duplicate -- its just confusing.
> 2. maybe a few pane-related things in the menu-bar that are not in
> right-click could be in right-click submenus.
> 3. it seems difficult !!!  to embed the browser in another app -- we

> mentioned in other posts).
>        This has been the worst thing for me in refactorings
> 5. a search capability (that can search strings, wild-cards, comments)
> in a class/package/everywhere
>        We have our own, I hate rolling my own things in RB -- ours
> works, is not at all optimal.
>
> That's it -- I love it
>
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> Dennis,
>
> Just a couple quick pointers,
>
> 3. If you enable "Show Refactoring Changes" in the "Settings", you'll be
> prompted with a window displaying all changes that are to take place
> using which you can remove contexts that you do not wish to affect
> (remove namespace, remove class etc)
>
> 5. Have you tried RBRegexExtensions? It searches within the context of
> your current selection, so if you have a pundle selected with nothing
> else, it'll search all classes within it, but if you select a class,
> protocol or even a bunch of methods, it'll only search through those;
> very powerful, hat's off to Vassilli
>
> Cheers!
>
> -Boris
>
>  

> We use the Ad Hoc SQL tool for testing DB connections.  We currently use
> Sybase as well, but have played with ODBC lately.  Since our application
> isn't yet ODBC-aware, the Ad Hoc tool is a great way to see if we've
> gotten the connection parameters configured correctly.  Beyond that we
> don't use it either.
>
> Sattler, Thomas (IT) wrote:
>> Personally, I like spawn.
>>
>> I'd agree to get rid of Hardcopy, though.
>>
>> And, while we're on the subject, let's either upgrade, or eliminate
>> entirely, one of the least-used pieces of VW: the Ad Hoc SQL tool.
>
> <snip>
>
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>
>
>
>

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lucas-Smith"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: "Travis Griggs" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "VW NC" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:12 AM
> Subject: Re: New Topic To Beat Into the Ground
>
>
> My turn!
>
> <snip>
>
>> Another particularly nasty death to protocol spawn, for all the times
>> i clicked on it and waited for it to actually do something. It never has.
>
> Works great for me. I like having a browser focused on what I'm working on.
>
>> Death to the three different ways we can look at change sets in the
>> pundle browse submenu.
>
> The ChangeList and the ChangeSet views are very helpful. Changed Methods
> could be considered redunant.
>
>> Death to the cryptic * and + and whatever other crazy symbols that are
>> meant to mean something that appear next to pundles.
>
> Cool, but what you replace them with?
>
>> Death to Set as current, whatever that means.
>
> It means Set this package as the current package into which code
> modified in non-package browsers will go. Rename it, don't remove it.
>
>> Death to the weird class hierarchy widget that isn't a tree that is
>> indented like a tree.
>
> We need a class hierarchy view. Fix whatever you think is broken, but
> don't take it away.
>
>

>On 3/27/07, James Robertson
><<mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]> wrote:
>[snip]
>
>The best we can do (and have done) is to hire new staff
>(incidentally, new staff with a fresh perspective and a very
>enthusiastic outlook) and move on.
>
>
>
>Cincom can do a damn sight more than that.
>- It can grow the engineering organization to a size that is up to
>te job of maintaining and exending an enterprise-class
>cross-platform development platform (about double the engineering staff).
>- it can compensate its engineering staff well to retain them and
>reward them.
>
>It does neither as you well know.

>
> At 01:28 PM 3/27/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> >On 3/27/07, James Robertson
> ><<mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]> wrote:
> >[snip]
> >
> >The best we can do (and have done) is to hire new staff
> >(incidentally, new staff with a fresh perspective and a very
> >enthusiastic outlook) and move on.
> >
> >
> >
> >Cincom can do a damn sight more than that.
> >- It can grow the engineering organization to a size that is up to
> >te job of maintaining and exending an enterprise-class
> >cross-platform development platform (about double the engineering staff).
> >- it can compensate its engineering staff well to retain them and
> >reward them.
> >
> >It does neither as you well know.
>
> <Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
> James Robertson, Product Manager, Cincom Smalltalk
> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
>
>

> James Robertson wrote:
>> I call this off topic; if anyone wants to email me privately, feel free
>>
> Then I want to put my foot down - cordially ;-)
>
> People here seem to want to discuss the recent personnel changes -
> awkward as that may be - in public.
> Going over the options I'd say this forum is the most focused one for
> such a topic, it would be less well placed on say c.l.s.
>
> I also want to hold up a mirror: if this discussion where happening in
> the blogosphere you could probably whip out a couple of slides with
> bullet points on how stifling such discussion is the wrong thing to do.
> Why not apply that stance toward this mail list?
>
>
> Another way that this irks me is that you are a guest here, this is not
> Cincom's list - it is our list.
> Putting up oukazes about what is permitted here rubs me the wrong way
> (it's not like we're handling a troll here, the principal players are
> known to me as being sufficiently level-headed to handle this subject
> without it becoming a slugfest).
>
>
> I'd say lighten up, the subject is awkward but that's also all there is
> to it - bite through the sour apple, it won't kill you ;-)
>
>
> R
> -
>
>
>

> James Robertson wrote:
>> I call this off topic; if anyone wants to email me privately, feel
>> free
>>
> Then I want to put my foot down - cordially ;-)
>
> People here seem to want to discuss the recent personnel changes -
> awkward as that may be - in public.
> Going over the options I'd say this forum is the most focused one for
> such a topic, it would be less well placed on say c.l.s.
>
> I also want to hold up a mirror: if this discussion where happening in
> the blogosphere you could probably whip out a couple of slides with
> bullet points on how stifling such discussion is the wrong thing to do.
> Why not apply that stance toward this mail list?
>
>
> Another way that this irks me is that you are a guest here, this is
> not Cincom's list - it is our list.
> Putting up oukazes about what is permitted here rubs me the wrong way
> (it's not like we're handling a troll here, the principal players are
> known to me as being sufficiently level-headed to handle this subject
> without it becoming a slugfest).
>
>
> I'd say lighten up, the subject is awkward but that's also all there
> is to it - bite through the sour apple, it won't kill you ;-)
>
>
> R
> -
>
>
>

>James Robertson wrote:
>>I call this off topic; if anyone wants to email me privately, feel free
>Then I want to put my foot down - cordially ;-)
>
>People here seem to want to discuss the recent personnel changes -
>awkward as that may be - in public.
>Going over the options I'd say this forum is the most focused one for
>such a topic, it would be less well placed on say c.l.s.
>
>I also want to hold up a mirror: if this discussion where happening in
>the blogosphere you could probably whip out a couple of slides with
>bullet points on how stifling such discussion is the wrong thing to do.
>Why not apply that stance toward this mail list?
>
>
>Another way that this irks me is that you are a guest here, this is not
>Cincom's list - it is our list.
>Putting up oukazes about what is permitted here rubs me the wrong way
>(it's not like we're handling a troll here, the principal players are
>known to me as being sufficiently level-headed to handle this subject
>without it becoming a slugfest).
>
>
>I'd say lighten up, the subject is awkward but that's also all there is
>to it - bite through the sour apple, it won't kill you ;-)
>
>
>R
>-
>

>
>
>
> At 05:22 AM 3/28/2007, you wrote:
>> James Robertson wrote:
>>> I call this off topic; if anyone wants to email me privately, feel free
>> Then I want to put my foot down - cordially ;-)
>>
>> People here seem to want to discuss the recent personnel changes -
>> awkward as that may be - in public.
>> Going over the options I'd say this forum is the most focused one for
>> such a topic, it would be less well placed on say c.l.s.
>>
>> I also want to hold up a mirror: if this discussion where happening in
>> the blogosphere you could probably whip out a couple of slides with
>> bullet points on how stifling such discussion is the wrong thing to do.
>> Why not apply that stance toward this mail list?
>>
>>
>> Another way that this irks me is that you are a guest here, this is not
>> Cincom's list - it is our list.
>> Putting up oukazes about what is permitted here rubs me the wrong way
>> (it's not like we're handling a troll here, the principal players are
>> known to me as being sufficiently level-headed to handle this subject
>> without it becoming a slugfest).
>>
>>
>> I'd say lighten up, the subject is awkward but that's also all there is
>> to it - bite through the sour apple, it won't kill you ;-)
>>
>>
>> R
>> -
>>
>
> <Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
> James Robertson, Product Manager, Cincom Smalltalk
> http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView
>

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Janko Mivšek [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. März 2007 13:33
> An: 'VWNC'
> Betreff: Re: Cincom personnel changes (Re: New Topic To Beat Into the
> Ground)
>
> I completely agree with Reinout and yes, we, both as customers and even
> more as passionate Smalltalkers would like to know honestly, what is
> happening and what are the real reasons for exodus of such knowledgeable
> and important Smalltalkers as Eliot and Vasilli are.
>
> Best regards
> JAnko
>
> Reinout Heeck wrote:
> > James Robertson wrote:
> >> I call this off topic; if anyone wants to email me privately, feel free
> >>
> > Then I want to put my foot down - cordially ;-)
> >
> > People here seem to want to discuss the recent personnel changes -
> > awkward as that may be - in public.
> > Going over the options I'd say this forum is the most focused one for
> > such a topic, it would be less well placed on say c.l.s.
> >
> > I also want to hold up a mirror: if this discussion where happening in
> > the blogosphere you could probably whip out a couple of slides with
> > bullet points on how stifling such discussion is the wrong thing to do.
> > Why not apply that stance toward this mail list?
> >
> >
> > Another way that this irks me is that you are a guest here, this is not
> > Cincom's list - it is our list.
> > Putting up oukazes about what is permitted here rubs me the wrong way
> > (it's not like we're handling a troll here, the principal players are
> > known to me as being sufficiently level-headed to handle this subject
> > without it becoming a slugfest).
> >
> >
> > I'd say lighten up, the subject is awkward but that's also all there is
> > to it - bite through the sour apple, it won't kill you ;-)
> >
> >
> > R
> > -
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Janko Mivšek
> AIDA/Web
> Smalltalk Web Application Server
> http://www.aidaweb.si