New WeeklySqueak Record
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Hello all, I know it is bad form to toot our own horn but I thought I’d
let everyone know we have a new WeeklySqueak Record for one days traffic.
We had 3535 views today. That shatters our previous
record which was around 2K. Also of note we have had a number of >1K
days. I guess someone is reading us! Ron Teitelbaum Squeak News Team Member |
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Ah, a stealth announcement of Sophie shipping.
Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better experience for people tomorrow, unless the Sophie developers all die from the lack of sleep first. If any lurker out there is busy reading the web site http:// www.sophieproject.org he'll discover how to connect to the sophie server, even how to upload a movie. However: Right now I'm sitting in my living room trying to figure out why MPEG quicktime moves (only those) from the server, cause Squeak/Sophie to lock up 17 seconds into the movie, my test case is the Alien's Movie book on the server, so don't try that... Linux Our beta test group has very few linux users so based on the error logs I saw today we still have a bit of work to solve things for that platform, however that requires a bit of help from the Squeak community since our resources are a bit limited, if any linux users want to assist that would be helpful. On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I know it is bad form to toot our own horn but I thought I’d let > everyone know we have a new WeeklySqueak Record for one days traffic. > > > > We had 3535 views today. That shatters our previous record which > was around 2K. Also of note we have had a number of >1K days. > > > > I guess someone is reading us! > > > > Ron Teitelbaum > > Squeak News Team Member > > http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com > > -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === |
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John M McIntosh wrote:
> Ah, a stealth announcement of Sophie shipping. Congrats! Just grabbed a copy and already the first nit-pick ;-) The Windows installer has an option saying "add to start menu" but that works wrongly - when you turn that off it doesn't add a short cut at all which it should and when you turn it on it only adds it to "all programs" and not to the start menu as promised. > Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better experience Unfortunately, "Load updates" seems to be broken - it complains about having to close all books first even when I don't open any... > for people tomorrow, unless the Sophie developers all die from the lack > of sleep first. Heh, heh, well get some sleep then. Nice to see Sophie coming along! Now how do I get this into Croquet I wonder... ;-) Cheers, - Andreas |
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In reply to this post by johnmci
Hi John,
For the record Sophie had 361 hits. I expect 500 - 1K hits tomorrow not today! Ian's video got 2K hits today and 1K yesterday. Congratulations on the release! (I should have checked with you first before publishing! Sorry about that) Ron Teitelbaum Squeak News Team Member > From: John M McIntosh > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:43 PM > > Ah, a stealth announcement of Sophie shipping. > > Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better > experience for people tomorrow, unless the Sophie developers all die > from the lack of sleep first. > > If any lurker out there is busy reading the web site http:// > www.sophieproject.org he'll discover how to connect to the sophie > server, even how to upload a movie. > > However: > > Right now I'm sitting in my living room trying to figure out why MPEG > quicktime moves (only those) from the server, > cause Squeak/Sophie to lock up 17 seconds into the movie, my test > case is the Alien's Movie book on the server, so don't try that... > > > Linux > > Our beta test group has very few linux users so based on the error > logs I saw today we still have a bit of work to solve things for that > platform, however > that requires a bit of help from the Squeak community since our > resources are a bit limited, if any linux users want to assist that > would be helpful. > > > On Feb 16, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Ron Teitelbaum wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I know it is bad form to toot our own horn but I thought I'd let > > everyone know we have a new WeeklySqueak Record for one days traffic. > > > > > > > > We had 3535 views today. That shatters our previous record which > > was around 2K. Also of note we have had a number of >1K days. > > > > > > > > I guess someone is reading us! > > > > > > > > Ron Teitelbaum > > > > Squeak News Team Member > > > > http://weeklysqueak.wordpress.com > > > > > > -- > ======================================================================== > === > John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > ======================================================================== > === > > > |
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In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab
On 16-Feb-07, at 7:58 PM, Andreas Raab wrote: > > Heh, heh, well get some sleep then. Nice to see Sophie coming > along! Now how do I get this into Croquet I wonder... ;-) Perhaps more interesting would be getting croquet worlds into sophie pages. Well, both. Not to mention eventually making sophie pages be '3D' so that page turning can be a proper page turning effect. All it takes is <Dr Evil>One MILLION Euros</Dr Evil> a year. You know you want to have it. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. |
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In reply to this post by Andreas.Raab
People should be aware that we've put oh close to 200 man months of
coding work into Sophie. Thus it's not a trivial application and I'm afraid has a number of more interesting bugs, unlike the one below. We still have lots more work ahead, well until the funds run out. Just needs some squeaker to start making content and distributing Sophie Books. On Feb 16, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Andreas Raab wrote: >> >> Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better >> experience > > Unfortunately, "Load updates" seems to be broken - it complains > about having to close all books first even when I don't open any... http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=6131 mmm that menu item might go away. We've another lurking check at startup that makes people go back to the website and fetch a new version when we flip the version number. Also Sophie optionally sends me the crash reports via our server, sigh.... And yes I think Tim fixed the cursor up problem this evening, since that was found much earlier today. -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === |
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>>> Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better experience
>> >> Unfortunately, "Load updates" seems to be broken - it complains about >> having to close all books first even when I don't open any... > > > http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=6131 Access Denied. [ Click here to proceed ] ;-) > Also Sophie optionally sends me the crash reports via our server, sigh.... > And yes I think Tim fixed the cursor up problem this evening, since that > was found much earlier today. Ah, good. It's kinda hard to make books if cursor up explodes it ;-) Cheers, - Andreas |
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On Feb 16, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Andreas Raab wrote: >>>> Bunch of critical fixing going in tonight, hopefully better >>>> experience >>> >>> Unfortunately, "Load updates" seems to be broken - it complains >>> about having to close all books first even when I don't open any... >> http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=6131 > > Access Denied. > [ Click here to proceed ] > Hah, funny, not for me. Ok, I guess people who want access to the Sophie mantis stuff should email me. Likely internally we'll talk about when it all goes public.... > ;-) -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === |
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In reply to this post by Ron Teitelbaum
> >> From: John M McIntosh >> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:43 PM >> >> However: >> >> Right now I'm sitting in my living room trying to figure out why MPEG >> quicktime moves (only those) from the server, >> cause Squeak/Sophie to lock up 17 seconds into the movie, my test >> case is the Alien's Movie book on the server, so don't try that... Ok, I'm please to say we (Steven mostly) rewrote the quicktime player layer to use quicktime movie controlers which seem to use quite a different execution path (thank you Apple), this resulted in getting rid of our lockup problem. -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === |
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In reply to this post by timrowledge
On Feb 16, 2007, at 8:16 PM, tim Rowledge wrote:
> > On 16-Feb-07, at 7:58 PM, Andreas Raab wrote: > >> >> Heh, heh, well get some sleep then. Nice to see Sophie coming >> along! Now how do I get this into Croquet I wonder... ;-) > Perhaps more interesting would be getting croquet worlds into > sophie pages. Well, both. Not to mention eventually making sophie > pages be '3D' so that page turning can be a proper page turning > effect. I agree that it's interesting to embed both Sophie in Croquet, and vice versa. However, although I think that it's pretty clear what it would mean to embed Sophie in Croquet, I don't think that the reverse is obvious... what does it mean to incorporate real-time multi-person interaction into a multimedia document? As simple example, the last time I looked I didn't notice any webcam support in Sophie. I assumed that this omission might be intentional. If someone emails me a Sophie document, and the webcam "at the other end" isn't enabled, do I simply see a blank screen? What if the webcam is on, but nobody is there (pretty boring)? The issues with Croquet seem analogous. I'm curious to hear any thoughts that the Sophie team have about what it would mean/require to support real-time interaction in Sophie. Nice work folks! Josh > > All it takes is <Dr Evil>One MILLION Euros</Dr Evil> a year. You > know you want to have it. > > > tim > -- > tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim > Bad command or file name. Go stand in the corner. > > > |
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On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Joshua Gargus wrote: > > As simple example, the last time I looked I didn't notice any > webcam support in Sophie. I assumed that this omission might be > intentional. If someone emails me a Sophie document, and the > webcam "at the other end" isn't enabled, do I simply see a blank > screen? What if the webcam is on, but nobody is there (pretty > boring)? The issues with Croquet seem analogous. Ah, well there are only so many hours in the day, I"m sure Michael would admit to have done a frightening number of work hours on Sophie in the last couple of week. Buried in there are things like import/exporting stickies & highlight markers for reader/author interactions, and we did fiddle a bit with pushing live comments on books from readers to all readers of a book from the server. No there is no collaborative editing environment , only so many months in a year, mind since you can embed books in books and link over the internet to either a sophie server or plain http server one could imagine some workarounds to allow people to work on parts of a book. However we've been really busy building the Rome/Cario rending underpinning instead of worrying about webcam support. I'll note of course the license http://www.sophieproject.org/about/license, which means people can take this stuff and run. There is an extension plugin layer if someone gets around to documenting it and a fair amount of quicktime interfacing now, so adding webcam support *couldn't* be too difficult. Er just pick that exit to squeak menu item.... -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === |
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John M McIntosh a écrit :
> There is an extension plugin layer if someone gets around to documenting > it and a fair amount of quicktime interfacing now, so adding webcam > support *couldn't* be too difficult. Oh yes, this extension plugin layer looks very interesting. One may expect that resource publishers, for let's say a mathematic teaching material could provide plugin based content to expose interactive mathematic contents (interactive geometry, graphing system, algebraic system, etc.) within the normal text flow. The user experience would be extremely expanded with such interactive books. Hilaire |
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On 18-Feb-07, at 1:29 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > > Oh yes, this extension plugin layer looks very interesting. One may > expect that resource publishers, for let's say a mathematic > teaching material could provide plugin based content to expose > interactive mathematic contents (interactive geometry, graphing > system, algebraic system, etc.) within the normal text flow. The > user experience would be extremely expanded with such interactive > books. We have - but don't currently support properly, to be honest - computed nodes that are intended to provide some of this dynamic content capability. At the simplest level this would be a way to provide page numbering (put a computed node that displays the printstring of the system page counter on the page template) or to incorporate the current NYSE value etc. One of the main practical hurdles that has stopped us doing much with them is the potential for runaway compositing work. Imagine someone mistakenly making a computednode that displays the millisecond tick value every millisecond. Or a random image grabbed from google images, with the size changing constantly and causing reformatting of many pages as a result. We got a bit confused trying to work this part out and left it for later! I can imagine making a subclass of computednode that wraps some of that glorious mathmorph stuff to provide graphing. There is still a *lot* to do. Handling the structured text turns out to be one of the more complicated things I've ever worked on and there are still many, many, editing and compositing edge cases to sort out. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Fractured Idiom:- VENI, VIDI, VICE - I came, I saw, I partied. |
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In reply to this post by johnmci
My apologies, I thought that I was quite clear that I am certainly
not accusing the Sophie team of slacking off by not including webcam support. Tim suggested that it might be more interesting to embed Croquet within Sophie than vice versa. I'm in favor of embedding each in the other, but I'm not quite clear on how the Croquet-in- Sophie embedding would work, and decided that it might be simpler to examine the case of webcam-in-Sophie (which shares many of the issues of Croquet-in-Sophie). I have not read any documentation that suggests that Sophie documents are anything other than self-contained. What is the user model for a multi-user, interactive Sophie document? If I created a document that happened to be popular, would I see my DSL connection die because hundreds of people simultaneously look at the page of the document with the webcam link? For that matter, would I have to install Sophie server software that would accept webcam connection requests? These are the types of questions that I have not seen answers to, and I was simply asking if they have been addressed (at least in principal) by the Sophie team. Still curious, Josh On Feb 18, 2007, at 1:04 AM, John M McIntosh wrote: > > On Feb 17, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Joshua Gargus wrote: > >> >> As simple example, the last time I looked I didn't notice any >> webcam support in Sophie. I assumed that this omission might be >> intentional. If someone emails me a Sophie document, and the >> webcam "at the other end" isn't enabled, do I simply see a blank >> screen? What if the webcam is on, but nobody is there (pretty >> boring)? The issues with Croquet seem analogous. > > Ah, well there are only so many hours in the day, I"m sure Michael > would admit to have done a frightening number of work hours on > Sophie in the last couple of week. > Buried in there are things like import/exporting stickies & > highlight markers for reader/author interactions, and we did fiddle > a bit with pushing live comments on books from readers to all > readers of a book from the server. No there is no collaborative > editing environment , only so many months in a year, mind since you > can embed books in books and link over the internet to either a > sophie server or plain http server one could imagine some > workarounds to allow people to work on parts of a book. > > However we've been really busy building the Rome/Cario rending > underpinning instead of worrying about webcam support. I'll note of > course the > license http://www.sophieproject.org/about/license, which means > people can take this stuff and run. > > There is an extension plugin layer if someone gets around to > documenting it and a fair amount of quicktime interfacing now, so > adding webcam support *couldn't* be too difficult. > > Er just pick that exit to squeak menu item.... > > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > ===== > John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> > Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http:// > www.smalltalkconsulting.com > ====================================================================== > ===== > > > |
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