New Year Wishlist (2018) ?

> On Dec 23, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> This looks like a good moment of the year to ask all of you what would you want to see in Pharo next year.
> Features, improvements, radical changes, etc…. whatever you want.
>
> Of course, this list will not be a roadmap and it does not means we will implement all of it (as always, time drives our possibilities), but is a good moment for us a a community to check where we are and where we wan to go next :)
>
> So, let’s those wishes come!
>
> cheers,
> Esteban

> Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Dezember 2017 um 17:58 Uhr
> Von: "Esteban Lorenzano" <[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email], "Pharo Development List" <[hidden email]>
> Betreff: [Pharo-dev] New Year Wishlist (2018) ?
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> This looks like a good moment of the year to ask all of you what would you want to see in Pharo next year.
> Features, improvements, radical changes, etc…. whatever you want.
>
> Of course, this list will not be a roadmap and it does not means we will implement all of it (as always, time drives our possibilities), but is a good moment for us a a community to check where we are and where we wan to go next :)
>
> So, let’s those wishes come!
>
> cheers,
> Esteban
>

> Hi everybody,
>
> This looks like a good moment of the year to ask all of you what would you want to see in Pharo next year.
> Features, improvements, radical changes, etc…. whatever you want.
>
> Of course, this list will not be a roadmap and it does not means we will implement all of it (as always, time drives our possibilities), but is a good moment for us a a community to check where we are and where we wan to go next :)
>
> So, let’s those wishes come!
>
> cheers,
> Esteban

> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Dezember 2017 um 12:33 Uhr
> Von: Hilaire <[hidden email]>
> An: [hidden email]
> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] New Year Wishlist (2018) ?
>
> Oh, you asked for that Esteban :)
>
> 1. stability
>
> 2. Tonel is a nice way to export file (its granularity is just right,
> bravo Esteban!) and commit to arbitrary repository, experimenting it
> with DrGeo, and it is nice to commit code[1] along other data files of
> the project (graphics, doc, translation, etc.). Got some an when non
> ascii characters were present in the source code, people reported it
> there. Likely to be fixed :)
>
> 3. vectorial interface, oh already on its way
>
> 4. application builder. Smalltalk/X has a GUI to build a standalone
> application, was not able to get it working, but it probably worked at
> some time in the past (see screenshot). Such a feature in Pharo will be
> fantastic, and likely a kill feature for the ones developing stand alone
> application; yes there are still some ;-)
>
> 5. fulfill the promise of tiny image, aka bootstrap and 4.
>
> All these wishes are under construction, so likely to happen \o/
>
>
> I have personal three wishes (beside good health of course), sharing it
> in case others are interested to hack on it too:
>
> A. get DrGeo working on P7, particularly on the bootstrap process.
>
> B. Build an environment in Pharo to develop simple games, targeted for
> kids. There are some teenagers in my school likely to get interested on
> such courses. If it could result in standalone games build thanks to
> wish 4., so good.
>
> C. Develop a white board application, easy to extend to add third party
> features. The OpenBoard[2] we are using in school are merely goods
> (can't get the right tooling to do geometry for example), handwriting is
> not nice, hacking on it is super complicated (C++ code), not to mention
> the building process. A Pharo based one will be fantastic and much easy
> to hack.
>
>
> Have a nice Christmas!
>
>
> [1]
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drgeo-developers/drgeo/trunk/files/head:/src/
> [2] http://openboard.ch
>
> Le 23/12/2017 à 17:58, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
> > So, let’s those wishes come!
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
>
>

> Oh, you asked for that Esteban :)
>
> 1. stability
>
> 2. Tonel is a nice way to export file (its granularity is just right, bravo
> Esteban!) and commit to arbitrary repository, experimenting it with DrGeo,
> and it is nice to commit code[1] along other data files of the project
> (graphics, doc, translation, etc.). Got some an when non ascii characters
> were present in the source code, people reported it there. Likely to be
> fixed :)
>
> 3. vectorial interface, oh already on its way
>
> 4. application builder. Smalltalk/X has a GUI to build a standalone
> application, was not able to get it working, but it probably worked at some
> time in the past (see screenshot). Such a feature in Pharo will be
> fantastic, and likely a kill feature for the ones developing stand alone
> application; yes there are still some ;-)

>
> 5. fulfill the promise of tiny image, aka bootstrap and 4.
>
> All these wishes are under construction, so likely to happen \o/
>
>
> I have personal three wishes (beside good health of course), sharing it in
> case others are interested to hack on it too:
>
> A. get DrGeo working on P7, particularly on the bootstrap process.
>
> B. Build an environment in Pharo to develop simple games, targeted for kids.
> There are some teenagers in my school likely to get interested on such
> courses. If it could result in standalone games build thanks to wish 4., so
> good.
>
> C. Develop a white board application, easy to extend to add third party
> features. The OpenBoard[2] we are using in school are merely goods (can't
> get the right tooling to do geometry for example), handwriting is not nice,
> hacking on it is super complicated (C++ code), not to mention the building
> process. A Pharo based one will be fantastic and much easy to hack.
>
>
> Have a nice Christmas!
>
>
> [1]
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drgeo-developers/drgeo/trunk/files/head:/src/
> [2] http://openboard.ch
>
>
> Le 23/12/2017 à 17:58, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>>
>> So, let’s those wishes come!
>
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
>

> 1. stability
>
> 2. Tonel is a nice way to export file (its granularity is just right, bravo
> Esteban!) and commit to arbitrary repository, experimenting it with DrGeo,
> and it is nice to commit code[1] along other data files of the project
> (graphics, doc, translation, etc.). Got some an when non ascii characters
> were present in the source code, people reported it there. Likely to be
> fixed :)
>
> 3. vectorial interface, oh already on its way
>
> 4. application builder. Smalltalk/X has a GUI to build a standalone
> application, was not able to get it working, but it probably worked at some
> time in the past (see screenshot). Such a feature in Pharo will be
> fantastic, and likely a kill feature for the ones developing stand alone
> application; yes there are still some ;-)

>
>
> Have a nice Christmas!
>
>
> [1]
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drgeo-developers/drgeo/trunk/files/head:/src/
> [2] http://openboard.ch
>
>
> Le 23/12/2017 à 17:58, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>>
>> So, let’s those wishes come!
>
>
> --
> Dr. Geo
> http://drgeo.eu
>

> A GUI builder is always a nice thing ... and there already was an attempt
> for Pharo:
>
>   http://www.squeaksource.com/UIBuilder/
>
> Now marked as "Failed attempt of develop a UI builder for Pharo-Smalltalk. That version
> only works in Pharo 1.1. Is opened for any developer.".
>
> Dont know why it failed ... maybe because the UI (especially with Morphic legacy)
> is still too shaky are in Pharo.

> But I guess the order will be/needs to be:
>
>  - good and stable graphics framework (maybe solved with Bloc)
>  - good and stable standardized widget set (maybe solved with Brick)
>  - then place a UI builder on top of it
>
> Bye
> T.
>
>> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Dezember 2017 um 12:33 Uhr
>> Von: Hilaire <[hidden email]>
>> An: [hidden email]
>> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] New Year Wishlist (2018) ?
>>
>> Oh, you asked for that Esteban :)
>>
>> 1. stability
>>
>> 2. Tonel is a nice way to export file (its granularity is just right,
>> bravo Esteban!) and commit to arbitrary repository, experimenting it
>> with DrGeo, and it is nice to commit code[1] along other data files of
>> the project (graphics, doc, translation, etc.). Got some an when non
>> ascii characters were present in the source code, people reported it
>> there. Likely to be fixed :)
>>
>> 3. vectorial interface, oh already on its way
>>
>> 4. application builder. Smalltalk/X has a GUI to build a standalone
>> application, was not able to get it working, but it probably worked at
>> some time in the past (see screenshot). Such a feature in Pharo will be
>> fantastic, and likely a kill feature for the ones developing stand alone
>> application; yes there are still some ;-)
>>
>> 5. fulfill the promise of tiny image, aka bootstrap and 4.
>>
>> All these wishes are under construction, so likely to happen \o/
>>
>>
>> I have personal three wishes (beside good health of course), sharing it
>> in case others are interested to hack on it too:
>>
>> A. get DrGeo working on P7, particularly on the bootstrap process.
>>
>> B. Build an environment in Pharo to develop simple games, targeted for
>> kids. There are some teenagers in my school likely to get interested on
>> such courses. If it could result in standalone games build thanks to
>> wish 4., so good.
>>
>> C. Develop a white board application, easy to extend to add third party
>> features. The OpenBoard[2] we are using in school are merely goods
>> (can't get the right tooling to do geometry for example), handwriting is
>> not nice, hacking on it is super complicated (C++ code), not to mention
>> the building process. A Pharo based one will be fantastic and much easy
>> to hack.
>>
>>
>> Have a nice Christmas!
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drgeo-developers/drgeo/trunk/files/head:/src/
>> [2] http://openboard.ch
>>
>> Le 23/12/2017 à 17:58, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>> > So, let’s those wishes come!
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Geo
>> http://drgeo.eu
>>
>>
>

> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Torsten Bergmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> A GUI builder is always a nice thing ... and there already was an attempt
>> for Pharo:
>>
>>   http://www.squeaksource.com/UIBuilder/
>>
>> Now marked as "Failed attempt of develop a UI builder for Pharo-Smalltalk. That version
>> only works in Pharo 1.1. Is opened for any developer.".
>>
>> Dont know why it failed ... maybe because the UI (especially with Morphic legacy)
>> is still too shaky are in Pharo.
>
> The developer stopped when he saw that he could not build a excel like grid.
> I tried to rescue its effort but it was too large to recover.
>
>
>> But I guess the order will be/needs to be:
>>
>>  - good and stable graphics framework (maybe solved with Bloc)
>>  - good and stable standardized widget set (maybe solved with Brick)
>>  - then place a UI builder on top of it
>>
>> Bye
>> T.
>>
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Dezember 2017 um 12:33 Uhr
>>> Von: Hilaire <[hidden email]>
>>> An: [hidden email]
>>> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] New Year Wishlist (2018) ?
>>>
>>> Oh, you asked for that Esteban :)
>>>
>>> 1. stability
>>>
>>> 2. Tonel is a nice way to export file (its granularity is just right,
>>> bravo Esteban!) and commit to arbitrary repository, experimenting it
>>> with DrGeo, and it is nice to commit code[1] along other data files of
>>> the project (graphics, doc, translation, etc.). Got some an when non
>>> ascii characters were present in the source code, people reported it
>>> there. Likely to be fixed :)
>>>
>>> 3. vectorial interface, oh already on its way
>>>
>>> 4. application builder. Smalltalk/X has a GUI to build a standalone
>>> application, was not able to get it working, but it probably worked at
>>> some time in the past (see screenshot). Such a feature in Pharo will be
>>> fantastic, and likely a kill feature for the ones developing stand alone
>>> application; yes there are still some ;-)
>>>
>>> 5. fulfill the promise of tiny image, aka bootstrap and 4.
>>>
>>> All these wishes are under construction, so likely to happen \o/
>>>
>>>
>>> I have personal three wishes (beside good health of course), sharing it
>>> in case others are interested to hack on it too:
>>>
>>> A. get DrGeo working on P7, particularly on the bootstrap process.
>>>
>>> B. Build an environment in Pharo to develop simple games, targeted for
>>> kids. There are some teenagers in my school likely to get interested on
>>> such courses. If it could result in standalone games build thanks to
>>> wish 4., so good.
>>>
>>> C. Develop a white board application, easy to extend to add third party
>>> features. The OpenBoard[2] we are using in school are merely goods
>>> (can't get the right tooling to do geometry for example), handwriting is
>>> not nice, hacking on it is super complicated (C++ code), not to mention
>>> the building process. A Pharo based one will be fantastic and much easy
>>> to hack.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a nice Christmas!
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drgeo-developers/drgeo/trunk/files/head:/src/
>>> [2] http://openboard.ch
>>>
>>> Le 23/12/2017 à 17:58, Esteban Lorenzano a écrit :
>>> > So, let’s those wishes come!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. Geo
>>> http://drgeo.eu
>>>
>>>
>>

>> 5. fulfill the promise of tiny image, aka bootstrap and 4.
> Did you see that pavel produced a smaller image than the first
> bootstrapped version
>
>> All these wishes are under construction, so likely to happen \o/
>>
>>
>> I have personal three wishes (beside good health of course), sharing it in
>> case others are interested to hack on it too:
>>
>> A. get DrGeo working on P7, particularly on the bootstrap process.
> Let us know the problem you face because this is important that you can.
>
>

>> B. Build an environment in Pharo to develop simple games, targeted for kids.
>> There are some teenagers in my school likely to get interested on such
>> courses. If it could result in standalone games build thanks to wish 4., so
>> good.
> I'm interested into that this is why I proposed to "laura"
> maximilliano to work on such framework.
> Now I never got the time to do a pass over it and to release what I learned.
>     - direction
>     - handling on moves.
>     - I created a grid data structure but this is the least interesting part.
>
> If you want we can discuss what I learned.
> Also students in Prague are building games on top of Bloc.
>
>