No webserver started when starting spoon

> Hi,
>
> finally I tried the latest spoon release. I took the
> start instructions from the README.html. Starting
> the memory.image I get an empty window but there
> is no socket opened on 8090. so I couldn't connect
> with the browser.
>
> My system is ubuntu linux 7.04 (feisty).
>

> Ok, I checked with strace and so that its looking for
> the Flow library.
>
> README.html:
>
> components/processor components/memory.image &
>
> To start this way I need to do
>
> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=components
> ./components/processor components/memory.image &

> > This way I get an open socket on 8090 which I can connect
> > to. I can see "Welcome to spoon!" page but nothing else.
> > The links on the page are pointing to port 8080 instead
> > of 8090. Loading any of the links keeps the spinner in the
> > browser going forever without response.
>
>      Right; I apologize for not making it clear in the README, but this
> is indeed as far as one can get with release 2a12. It's essentially a
> "hello world" demo at the moment.
>

> > Then I started the naiad. I did
> >
> > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=components/naiad/
> > ./components/naiad/naiad Squeak3.9-final-7067.image
> >
> > Loading naiad.st gives me the following on the terminal
> >
> > ioFindExternalFunctionIn(initializeUUID, 0x815cae0):
> >   components/naiad//Flow.so: undefined symbol: initializeUUID
>
>      That's a benign primitive failure. If there's no primitive support
> for UUID byte generation (and there isn't yet), then some fallback
> Smalltalk code runs instead. That code isn't as fast and implements a
> lower-quality class of UUID than the primitive will enable (see the
> Leach/Salz UUID RFC for more details).
>

> > Making doit on the first two commands gives me an unresponsive
> > image.
>
>      I'll try to duplicate this.
>
>      I'm sitting here at a table with Spoon set up on all three of the
> current host platforms. I'll try to debug every bug people mention here.
> I apologize that I haven't set up (access to) a proper bug-tracking
> system yet.
>

>
> Hi Norbert--
>
> > I saw videos where you showed a graphical browser for the memory of a
> > remote image. That is pretty much of a functionality. I'd like to
> > reproduce this as well. Aside from this I have absolutely no clue what
> > is the status of spoon. Did I miss some important document? (I read
> > the spoon book already and the netjam web site).
>
>      I suspect so. The most important things to read are the Spoon
> progress reports in the Spoon mailing list archives.
>
> > Btw. how do work with the spoon image? Do you bootstrap anything or
> > are you running spoon in the simulator?
>
>      Here's what I do:
>
> -    I start the minimal Spoon memory.

> -    I establish a Wormhole connection from the control memory to the
>      minimal memory.
> -    I open a remote browser.
> -    I write code.
>
>      (I suppose "NaiadPeer" or something like that would be a better
> name than "Wormhole" and the like.)
>
>
>      thanks again,
>
> -C
>
> --
> Craig Latta
> www.netjam.org
>
>
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> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 06:10:22PM -0700, Craig Latta wrote:
> >
> > Hi Norbert--
> >
> > > I saw videos where you showed a graphical browser for the memory of a
> > > remote image. That is pretty much of a functionality. I'd like to
> > > reproduce this as well. Aside from this I have absolutely no clue what
> > > is the status of spoon. Did I miss some important document? (I read
> > > the spoon book already and the netjam web site).
> >
> >      I suspect so. The most important things to read are the Spoon
> > progress reports in the Spoon mailing list archives.
> >
> > > Btw. how do work with the spoon image? Do you bootstrap anything or
> > > are you running spoon in the simulator?
> >
> >      Here's what I do:
> >
> > -    I start the minimal Spoon memory.
>
> The memory.image distributed with spoon 2a12?
>
> > -    I start a control memory (one with Naiad support in it).
>
> How do you make that? Which image version do you start with?
> Which VMMaker version do we need to make a vm with the proper
> support in it? How can we run an interpreter simulator using
> this VM? Do I need to go buy a mac? Which os?
>
> I know you have done more work in spoon than just a "Hello
> World" demo.
>
> Since there is nothing inside the memory.image distributed with
> 2a12, I need to run the interpreter simulator to see what it is
> doing and why it is halting. Here is what I tried on windows xp:
>
> - I downloaded http://damien.cassou.free.fr/squeak-dev/sq3.9-7067dev07.6.2.zip and ran it using naiad.exe distributed with spoon 2a12
> - I installed VMMaker-3.8b6.1 from universe
> - I downloaded http://squeakvm.org/win32/release/SqueakVM-Win32-3.10.4-src.zip and unzipped it
> - I filed in spoonProcessorChanges.st
> - I opened VMMakerTool, pointed it at SqueakVM-Win32-3.10.4\platforms
> - I set the platform to win32
> - I generated the source for the core and all plugins internally
>   except for:
>   - FileCopyPlugin
>   - InternetConfigPlugin
>   - LargeIntegersPlugin
>   - LargeIntegersSimulator
>   - MacMenubarPlugin
>   - TestOSAPlugin
> - I tried running
>   (InterpreterSimulatorLSB new openOn: '..\memory.image') test
> - It failed with MessageNotUnderstood: Bitmap>>swapBytesFrom:to:
>
> Should I be doing something differently? How do you do it?
>
> > -    I establish a Wormhole connection from the control memory to the
> >      minimal memory.
> > -    I open a remote browser.
> > -    I write code.
> >
> >      (I suppose "NaiadPeer" or something like that would be a better
> > name than "Wormhole" and the like.)
> >
> >
> >      thanks again,
> >
> > -C
> >
> > --
> > Craig Latta
> > www.netjam.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/spoon
>

> Hi Matthew,
>
> today evening I decided to play once more with spoon.
> On the net I found your description about building a
> vm with naiad support.
>
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/spoon/2007-July/000214.html
>
> I can't say I understand the whole spoon process. There are a lot
> of things floating around:
>
> 1. a modified image (spoon processor changes) to build a vm with naiad
>   support
> 2. the naiad vm
> 3. minimal memory image
> 4. control image
>
> Maybe you are able to clarify some questions:
>
> - Is 1. needed after the vm is built?