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Nothing much [was: what is holding back Smalltalk?]
 
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:02:47 +0100, Mark Volkmann <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't have a lot of experience with Smalltalk yet, but I really love > what I've seen so far. > > I'm curious what experienced Smalltalkers see as some of the reasons why > it doesn't attract more attention. Me thinks that the Smalltalk community is healthy and vibrant--it is "just" a community form one would not expect for Ruby or Python or Perl, etc. To get impression of my impression take a look at what *actually* happened during the *recent* months: - Exupery (native x86 methods) powers Huemul - Seaside (web++ framework++) powers GLASS - Hydra (multiple parallel .images) powers Croquet .images - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience - two more gods to be worshipped in the VM temple ;) - Squeak powers NewSpeak - new book Squeak by Example (creative commons license) - port of OpenDBX to Squeak (still not on windoze) - port of Squeak/VM to "another" smartphone platform ;) - DrGeo made it to the XO (OLPC) - fresh new subcommunity Pharo - attempt? to port Moose (world class sw analysis) to Squeak - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience - Squeak web site migrated to/powered by Aida/Web Squeak - 4 (four) projects run through 2008's Goggle Summer of Code - the "everybody needs it" Safara from GSoC as yet not in mainstream - the "everybody needs it" Squeak GTK from GSoC as yet not in mainstream - IBM builds Smalltalk IDE inside Eclipse - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience - ESUG 2008 conference draws more attendands than ever That list is of course incomplete, for example one wants to add the many noobs who joined #squeak and the beginners mailing list. I do not think that *soo* much is holding back Smalltalk ;) /Klaus -- "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert Einstein > I understand the issues with Smalltalk in the past related to license > costs and performance, but those have been addressed now. Have you tried > to convince someone to consider Smalltalk and failed to convince them? > Why do you think they rejected it? What improvements could be made to > current Smalltalk environments, especially Squeak, that might sway them? > > For me the biggest issue has been trying to run my code from outside > Squeak. This includes running Squeak headless to do something script- > like and configuring a GUI application to run in a way that doesn't > require the user to know they are running Squeak. Both of these are > supposedly possible, but very difficult to get right. > > --- > Mark Volkmann > > _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: [squeak-dev] Nothing much [was: what is holding back Smalltalk?]
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I heard that google hired developers with deep Smalltalk
experience........ On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 AM, Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:02:47 +0100, Mark Volkmann <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> I don't have a lot of experience with Smalltalk yet, but I really >> love what I've seen so far. >> >> I'm curious what experienced Smalltalkers see as some of the >> reasons why it doesn't attract more attention. > > Me thinks that the Smalltalk community is healthy and vibrant--it is > "just" a community form one would not expect for Ruby or Python or > Perl, etc. To get impression of my impression take a look at what > *actually* happened during the *recent* months: > > - Exupery (native x86 methods) powers Huemul > - Seaside (web++ framework++) powers GLASS > - Hydra (multiple parallel .images) powers Croquet .images > - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience > - two more gods to be worshipped in the VM temple ;) > - Squeak powers NewSpeak > - new book Squeak by Example (creative commons license) > - port of OpenDBX to Squeak (still not on windoze) > - port of Squeak/VM to "another" smartphone platform ;) > - DrGeo made it to the XO (OLPC) > - fresh new subcommunity Pharo > - attempt? to port Moose (world class sw analysis) to Squeak > - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience > - Squeak web site migrated to/powered by Aida/Web Squeak > - 4 (four) projects run through 2008's Goggle Summer of Code > - the "everybody needs it" Safara from GSoC as yet not in mainstream > - the "everybody needs it" Squeak GTK from GSoC as yet not in > mainstream > - IBM builds Smalltalk IDE inside Eclipse > - Google hires developers with deep Smalltalk experience > - ESUG 2008 conference draws more attendands than ever > > That list is of course incomplete, for example one wants to add the > many noobs who joined #squeak and the beginners mailing list. > > I do not think that *soo* much is holding back Smalltalk ;) > > /Klaus Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: [squeak-dev] Nothing much [was: what is holding back Smalltalk?]
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Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> Me thinks that the Smalltalk community is healthy and vibrant--it is > "just" a community form one would not expect for Ruby or Python or > Perl, etc. To get impression of my impression take a look at what > *actually* happened during the *recent* months: Why would one not expect this community for Ruby or Python or Perl? Could you please explain what you mean, for this puzzles me ... _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
Re: Nothing much [was: what is holding back Smalltalk?]
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:23:13 +0100, Claus Kick wrote:
> Klaus D. Witzel wrote: > >> Me thinks that the Smalltalk community is healthy and vibrant--it is >> "just" a community form one would not expect for Ruby or Python or >> Perl, etc. To get impression of my impression take a look at what >> *actually* happened during the *recent* months: > > Why would one not expect this community for Ruby or Python or Perl? > Could you please explain what you mean, for this puzzles me ... There are (almost uncountable ;) many things which shape these communities; perhaps I focus on some of the obvious from a day-to-day perspective: - starting+using Smalltalk is always starting+using the whole system, there are no parts, in an absolute sense, and there is no way to change that - the Smalltalker has generally broader knowledge about his *whole* system, think of navigating "implementers of" as an example - the Smalltalker has generally deeper knowledge about his *whole* system, think of navigating "senders of" as an example This (and more ;) naturally orients the community along completely different dimensions, beginning with the learning curve, through things you can change+reuse, up to things you can achieve (like VMMaker+Simulator or Etoys or Scratch or Croquet or Moose or DabbleDB or Sophie), with a handful of people, in the Smalltalk community. /Klaus -- "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it". Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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