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When I first got Squeak last night I took a quick look at it and
was quite impressed--thought it had a lot of potential not only for the project I currently want to do, but I could see possibilities for quite a few others as well. So this morning I got a copy of 'Squeak by Example', skimmed over the 'hello' and 'add two plus two' sections and started in on the first simple program 'Quinto'. Yeeeeks!! Nothing--absolutely <nothing.> --- works the way the author describes it. I did get a few things to work, but I had to piddle around (click on this, click on that) to get it done. Other than that -- whenever I follow the instructions in the book --all I get is messages telling me I did something wrong. It wasn't <me> that did something wrong here, people! I've been following instructions line by line, word by word, and letter by letter. What gives here? _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:11 -0600, Lee Nixon wrote:
> When I first got Squeak last night I took a quick look at it and was > quite impressed--thought it had a lot of potential not only for the > project I currently want to do, but I could see possibilities for quite > a few others as well. So this morning I got a copy of 'Squeak by > Example', skimmed over the 'hello' and 'add two plus two' sections and > started in on the first simple program 'Quinto'. > Yeeeeks!! > Nothing--absolutely <nothing.> --- works the way the author > describes it. I did get a few things to work, but I had to piddle > around (click on this, click on that) to get it done. Other than that > -- whenever I follow the instructions in the book --all I get is > messages telling me I did something wrong. It wasn't <me> that did > something wrong here, people! I've been following instructions line by > line, word by word, and letter by letter. What gives here? Hi Lee, Read this thread http://tinyurl.com/5uyboy Chris _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Thanks for the prompt and friendly response,-----b--u---t--- I got
version 3.9 which, as I recall, is supposed to be the one in sync with the book and I'm still not getting anywhere. The one I had before was 3.10 in case you're wondering. I got an idea--let's get someone who knows what the hell they're doing to write me a Standard Musical Notation Editor. And as soon as I become a millionaire I'll be real nice to them :-) On 5/9/08, Chris Kassopulo <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Fri, 09 May 2008 17:15:11 -0600, Lee Nixon wrote: > >> When I first got Squeak last night I took a quick look at it and was >> quite impressed--thought it had a lot of potential not only for the >> project I currently want to do, but I could see possibilities for quite >> a few others as well. So this morning I got a copy of 'Squeak by >> Example', skimmed over the 'hello' and 'add two plus two' sections and >> started in on the first simple program 'Quinto'. >> Yeeeeks!! >> Nothing--absolutely <nothing.> --- works the way the author >> describes it. I did get a few things to work, but I had to piddle >> around (click on this, click on that) to get it done. Other than that >> -- whenever I follow the instructions in the book --all I get is >> messages telling me I did something wrong. It wasn't <me> that did >> something wrong here, people! I've been following instructions line by >> line, word by word, and letter by letter. What gives here? > > Hi Lee, > > Read this thread http://tinyurl.com/5uyboy > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Beginners mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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On 5/10/08, Lee Nixon <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for the prompt and friendly response,-----b--u---t--- I got For what looks to be a very in-depth Smalltalk musical package, take a look at Siren (http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/main.html). I haven't been able to get the supporting dll's loaded properly to try it out, but I think it even has a notation editor of some kind... It's written for VisualWorks, not Squeak, but has an extensive manual which might give you some ideas for your project. I have to keep reminding myself that the entire programming world is full of "examples" that don't work when you download them; it's not just a Smalltalk phenomenon--but it IS frustrating nonetheless... Rob _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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Took a look at that guy's music program and it looks like he's got
the digital audio thing down in spades. That's one thing I haven't gotten into much myself. I'm more inclined to use physical instruments rather than manipulate bits and bytes, but what the heck--creativity is creativity and artistry is artistry no matter what kind of tools you're using. DaVinci could have figured it out using color crayons. So right now I'm trying Lime (notation editor) and it's looking pretty good--just need to wrangle up $65 somewhere so I can get past the free trial run. But I'm still thinking about cooking up something else on my own, and when I do I'll be sure to give Squeak another try. Does anyone here see a need for a little more standardization in the computer world? A friend of mine thinks that standardization would stifle ingenuity and creativity and so on. I'm more inclined to think those things are more than capable of taking care of themselves. Like look how two young guys with no formal musical training blew the crap out of the concrete standardized modules that the recording industry was promoting forty-five years ago. John Lennon and Paul McCartney, in case you're wondering who I'm talking about. But anyway--it's late--had too much coffee--starting to blabble, If anyone here feels like reading more of my blabble they can find me at [hidden email]. On 5/10/08, Rob Rothwell <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 5/10/08, Lee Nixon <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the prompt and friendly response,-----b--u---t--- I got >> version 3.9 which, as I recall, is supposed to be the one in sync >> with the book and I'm still not getting anywhere. The one I had >> before was 3.10 in case you're wondering. >> I got an idea--let's get someone who knows what the hell they're >> doing to write me a Standard Musical Notation Editor. And as soon as I >> become a millionaire I'll be real nice to them :-) > > > For what looks to be a very in-depth Smalltalk musical package, take a > look at Siren ( > http://fastlabinc.com/Siren/main.html > ). I haven't been able to get the supporting dll's loaded properly to > try it out, but I think it even has a notation editor of some kind... > It's written for VisualWorks, not Squeak, but has an extensive manual which > might give you some ideas for your project. > > I have to keep reminding myself that the entire programming world is > full of "examples" that don't work when you download them; it's not > just a > Smalltalk phenomenon--but it IS frustrating nonetheless... > > Rob > Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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El 5/11/08 3:18 AM, "Lee Nixon" <[hidden email]> escribió: > Took a look at that guy's music program and it looks like he's got > the digital audio thing down in spades. That's one thing I haven't > gotten into much myself. I'm more inclined to use physical > instruments rather than manipulate bits and bytes, but what the > heck--creativity is creativity and artistry is artistry no matter what > kind of tools you're using. DaVinci could have figured it out using > color crayons. > So right now I'm trying Lime (notation editor) and it's looking > pretty good--just need to wrangle up $65 somewhere so I can get past > the free trial run. But I'm still thinking about cooking up something > else on my own, and when I do I'll be sure to give Squeak another try. > Does anyone here see a need for a little more standardization in the > computer world? A friend of mine thinks that standardization would > stifle ingenuity and creativity and so on. I'm more inclined to think > those things are more than capable of taking care of themselves. Like > look how two young guys with no formal musical training blew the crap > out of the concrete standardized modules that the recording industry > was promoting forty-five years ago. John Lennon and Paul McCartney, > in case you're wondering who I'm talking about. > But anyway--it's late--had too much coffee--starting to blabble, If > anyone here feels like reading more of my blabble they can find me at > [hidden email]. I late on this thread but I say you must see this http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/sqgeo.htm Next version of FunSqueak could be official Full Squeak , so I work with Stephane Rollandin if he agree on have it into. But I also like help and if you wish have some Lime thing into the basic image or the full one , shoot your questions. I could be found at random times in IRC Squeak channel, FunSqueak have it ready to run. Also I know our work have bugs, and we start to quick fix all in 3.10.1, so stay tuned. Edgar _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners |
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