OSX 10.9 PharoVM build failure workarounds
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I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. then cd ../build bash build.sh After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) but gets errors... *Generating /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* And indeed, I don't have ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk I have ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) allowed the build to progress further. ========= Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat like this... /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); Tracked down a likely suspect here... https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm And indeed editing... platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m to add... #import <OpenGL/gl.h> gave me a working VM. ========= Should I log these somewhere ? cheers -ben |
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Hi, you have to check the README of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) Esteban
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You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I miss something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? cheers -ben Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi, > > you have to check the README of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) > > Esteban > > > >> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> >> I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >> then >> cd ../build >> bash build.sh >> >> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) >> but gets errors... >> >> *Generating >> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >> >> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >> >> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >> >> >> And indeed, I don't have >> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >> I have >> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >> >> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >> >> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >> >> allowed the build to progress further. >> >> ========= >> >> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat >> like this... >> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: >> error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, >> GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >> >> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >> >> And indeed editing... >> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >> >> to add... >> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >> >> gave me a working VM. >> >> >> ========= >> >> Should I log these somewhere ? >> cheers -ben > |
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Whoops. I need to read it more carefully. But there is a discrepancy, it says "Download the latest" and references 10.6. Ben Coman wrote: > > You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I miss > something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? > cheers -ben > > Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> Hi, >> you have to check the README of >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) >> >> Esteban >> >> >> >>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >>> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >>> then >>> cd ../build >>> bash build.sh >>> >>> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) >>> but gets errors... >>> >>> *Generating >>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >>> >>> >>> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >>> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >>> >>> >>> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >>> >>> >>> And indeed, I don't have >>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >>> I have >>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >>> >>> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >>> >>> >>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >>> >>> >>> allowed the build to progress further. >>> >>> ========= >>> >>> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat >>> like this... >>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: >>> error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >>> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, >>> GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >>> >>> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >>> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >>> >>> >>> And indeed editing... >>> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >>> >>> to add... >>> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >>> >>> gave me a working VM. >>> >>> >>> ========= >>> >>> Should I log these somewhere ? >>> cheers -ben >> > > |
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well, you missed all the part where it says: Install the latest version of XCode and XCode command line tools. Download MacOSX10.6.sdk.zipand put in Xcode SDK folder: # make sure you're root: sudo su
cd /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs
wget http://files.pharo.org/vm/src/lib/MacOSX10.6.sdk.zip
unzip MacOSX10.6.sdk.zip
rm MacOSX10.6.sdk.zipcheers, Esteban
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it is not a discrepancy, is two different things 1) Install latest Xcode. 2) Download SDL 10.6 :) Esteban > On 17 Nov 2014, at 17:17, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Whoops. I need to read it more carefully. But there is a discrepancy, it says "Download the latest" and references 10.6. > > Ben Coman wrote: >> You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I miss something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? >> cheers -ben >> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> Hi, >>> you have to check the README of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>>> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >>>> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >>>> then >>>> cd ../build >>>> bash build.sh >>>> >>>> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) but gets errors... >>>> >>>> *Generating /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >>>> >>>> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >>>> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >>>> >>>> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >>>> >>>> >>>> And indeed, I don't have >>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >>>> I have >>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >>>> >>>> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >>>> >>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >>>> >>>> allowed the build to progress further. >>>> >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat like this... >>>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >>>> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >>>> >>>> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >>>> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >>>> >>>> And indeed editing... >>>> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >>>> >>>> to add... >>>> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >>>> >>>> gave me a working VM. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> Should I log these somewhere ? >>>> cheers -ben >>> > |
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> On 17 Nov 2014, at 17:20, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote: > > it is not a discrepancy, is two different things > > 1) Install latest Xcode. > 2) Download SDL 10.6 *SDK (typo) > > :) > > Esteban > >> On 17 Nov 2014, at 17:17, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Whoops. I need to read it more carefully. But there is a discrepancy, it says "Download the latest" and references 10.6. >> >> Ben Coman wrote: >>> You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I miss something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? >>> cheers -ben >>> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> you have to check the README of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>>>> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >>>>> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >>>>> then >>>>> cd ../build >>>>> bash build.sh >>>>> >>>>> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) but gets errors... >>>>> >>>>> *Generating /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >>>>> >>>>> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >>>>> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >>>>> >>>>> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And indeed, I don't have >>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >>>>> I have >>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >>>>> >>>>> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >>>>> >>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >>>>> >>>>> allowed the build to progress further. >>>>> >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>>> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat like this... >>>>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >>>>> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >>>>> >>>>> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >>>>> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >>>>> >>>>> And indeed editing... >>>>> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >>>>> >>>>> to add... >>>>> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >>>>> >>>>> gave me a working VM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>>> Should I log these somewhere ? >>>>> cheers -ben >>>> >> > |
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Okay, got it. I don't remember installing SDK 10.9 so I had assume it came as part of XCode (but that could be my failing memory) Thanks for the clarification. Now even with my deviation from the instructions, it was fairly straight forward. Nice setup. cheers -ben Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > it is not a discrepancy, is two different things > > 1) Install latest Xcode. > 2) Download SDK 10.6 > > :) > > Esteban > >> On 17 Nov 2014, at 17:17, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Whoops. I need to read it more carefully. But there is a discrepancy, it says "Download the latest" and references 10.6. >> >> Ben Coman wrote: >>> You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I miss something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? >>> cheers -ben >>> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> you have to check the README of https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I followed the instructions at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>>>> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >>>>> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >>>>> then >>>>> cd ../build >>>>> bash build.sh >>>>> >>>>> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype (2.4.9) but gets errors... >>>>> >>>>> *Generating /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >>>>> >>>>> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >>>>> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >>>>> >>>>> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And indeed, I don't have >>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >>>>> I have >>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >>>>> >>>>> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >>>>> >>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >>>>> >>>>> allowed the build to progress further. >>>>> >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>>> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked somewhat like this... >>>>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >>>>> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >>>>> >>>>> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >>>>> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >>>>> >>>>> And indeed editing... >>>>> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >>>>> >>>>> to add... >>>>> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >>>>> >>>>> gave me a working VM. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========= >>>>> >>>>> Should I log these somewhere ? >>>>> cheers -ben > > |
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You can use my scripts if you like: http://github.com/theseion/stuff.git I use them to build and update my VMs for libgit2.
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Thanks MAx. I'll take a look. cheers -ben Max Leske wrote: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You can use my scripts if you like: http://github.com/theseion/stuff.git > > I use them to build and update my VMs for libgit2. > >> On 17.11.2014, at 17:28, Ben Coman <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> Okay, got it. I don't remember installing SDK 10.9 so I had assume it >> came as part of XCode (but that could be my failing memory) >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> Now even with my deviation from the instructions, it was fairly >> straight forward. Nice setup. >> cheers -ben >> >> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> it is not a discrepancy, is two different things >>> 1) Install latest Xcode. 2) Download SDK 10.6 >>> :) >>> Esteban >>>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 17:17, Ben Coman <[hidden email] >>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whoops. I need to read it more carefully. But there is a >>>> discrepancy, it says "Download the latest" and references 10.6. >>>> >>>> Ben Coman wrote: >>>>> You've lost me. That README.md were the instructions I used. Did I >>>>> miss something, or do you mean I should add notes to it ? >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> you have to check the README of >>>>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Nov 2014, at 16:58, Ben Coman <[hidden email] >>>>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I followed the instructions at >>>>>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm >>>>>>> to build the Pharo VM. In generator.image I evaluated... >>>>>>> PharoVMBuilder buildMacOSX32. >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> cd ../build >>>>>>> bash build.sh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After cmake finished its checks, it tried to compile freetype >>>>>>> (2.4.9) but gets errors... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Generating >>>>>>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/results/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libfreetype.6.dylib* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> clang: warning: no such sysroot directory: >>>>>>> '/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> **fatal error: **'math.h' file not found* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And indeed, I don't have >>>>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk >>>>>>> I have >>>>>>> ../MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So updating CMakeLists.txt as follows... >>>>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.9) >>>>>>> + set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >>>>>>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.9.sdk) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET 10.5) >>>>>>> - set(CMAKE_OSX_SYSROOT >>>>>>> /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.6.sdk) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> allowed the build to progress further. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then the build failed getting "too many errors" that looked >>>>>>> somewhat like this... >>>>>>> /Users/ben/Repos/pharo-vm/platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m:208:18: >>>>>>> error: use of undeclared identifier 'GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB' >>>>>>> glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_RECTANGLE_ARB, >>>>>>> GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST); >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tracked down a likely suspect here... >>>>>>> https://codereview.chromium.org/587193005/diff/1/content/browser/compositor/io_surface_layer_mac.mm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And indeed editing... >>>>>>> platforms/iOS/vm/OSX/sqSqueakOSXOpenGLView.m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to add... >>>>>>> #import <OpenGL/gl.h> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> gave me a working VM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should I log these somewhere ? >>>>>>> cheers -ben >> >> > |
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