OT: Dolphin smalltalk giving up

Jan Hussaarts wrote:
> Andreas,
>
> If you need recent releases for a specific platform, according to
> their website you can mail Exept .
> I'm not using STX for database access yet, but if necessary I would
> probably try to use ODBC for SQLServer or PostgreSQL.
When I checked the ODBC implementation it didn't worked at all. And the
comments said that only Oracle drivers were
in a somehow supported state as there were only customers using Oracle
databases.
>
> I do not understand what you mean by 'overhaul its tools'? I think it
> is pretty fast, compared to Squeak.
According to the ST/X source comments all tools will be rewritten with
the GUI builder (I don't remember the exact name).
The old tools are hand coded. You can see some of the results in the
configuration dialogs:
the use of some of the newer tools are not yet recommended.


Andreas

Well I just took a look at it and it doesn't look bad.  Free, has a
GUI builder, it sounded like it had an EXE builder.  And besides
Strongalk it is the fastest Smalltalk, no?

On 8/12/07, Andreas Wacknitz <[hidden email]> wrote:

It sure is fast. And you can build executables if you want to. I did not
use that facility yet.

The GUI builder is ok and the majority of the tools are replaced by new
ones in the later versions of STX.
According to the configuration setting is 5.34 only the use of the new
Change Browser and the new Hierarchical Inspector is not recommended.
Also an (experimental) interface with MS  SQL Server is available upon
request.

 From the release documentation for 5.3: ODBC support improved
(threaded, nonBlocking API for Win32). So that should be able to work.
I'll give it a try somewhere next week.

Jan

Jason Johnson schreef:

Jason, Jan, Andreas,

As you have seen, STX gets mixed reviews, but it has supporters, and I
will look again.  

Thanks!

Bill




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Jason Johnson wrote:

Well I just took a look at it and it doesn't look bad. Free, has a
GUI builder, it sounded like it had an EXE builder. And besides
Strongalk it is the fastest Smalltalk, no?

On 8/12/07, Andreas Wacknitz <A.Wacknitz@...> wrote:
> Jan Hussaarts wrote:
> > Andreas,
> >
> > If you need recent releases for a specific platform, according to
> > their website you can mail Exept .
> > I'm not using STX for database access yet, but if necessary I would
> > probably try to use ODBC for SQLServer or PostgreSQL.
> When I checked the ODBC implementation it didn't worked at all. And
the
> comments said that only Oracle drivers were
> in a somehow supported state as there were only customers using Oracle
> databases.
> >
> > I do not understand what you mean by 'overhaul its tools'? I think
it
> > is pretty fast, compared to Squeak.
> According to the ST/X source comments all tools will be rewritten with
> the GUI builder (I don't remember the exact name).
> The old tools are hand coded. You can see some of the results in the
> configuration dialogs:
> the use of some of the newer tools are not yet recommended.
>
>
> Andreas

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Hello Bill,

BS> robust for end users.  For example, in a deployed app, one would not use
BS> a system window; the main window would be app's shell (MDI fans will see
BS> it differently of course), and an alignment morph would likely cover the
BS> entire world, with the widgets living inside it.  I have yet to actually
BS> do this, but I can imagine that it would hide many of the IDE's
BS> annoyances.

I had to abandon this process due to time constraints, but I managed
to set the main Squeak window size from inside squeak, pilfering from
HostWindows (Areithfa ffnenestri). This should work across the main
OS's.

One of the next steps would be to remove the full screen/close handles
and the resize ability. Up to now I believe I can do this only under
Windows. Then I can use Squeak just like any other dialogue window.
And I don't care id I have to start another Squeak to get the next
dialogue.

Digging in HostWindows might even show possibilities to avoid several
Squeak instances for this.

So when you start in that direction, look into HostWindows and don't
hesitate to drop me a mail.



Cheers

Herbert                            mailto:[hidden email]

On 8/11/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
When you do start looking, start with TextPrinter.  I've done a few things with printing (all on Windows, and with much older versions of the code), and it works pretty well.  Of course, I've mostly been printing graphs/diagrams, which really doesn't use much of TextPrinter, just some of the low level stuff.  Basically, if you want, you can just write to the printer form and push it to the printer itself.

Note exactly a very rich tools right now, but sufficient, and workable if you need more complex stuff built on top of it.