Open meeting regarding the Squeak Release Team

> Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a
> meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC. We want to discuss
> what the next release process should look like, and would
> welcome input, especially if you are willing to help or have a
> tool that could help us with the release effort. On the agenda
> is:
>
> The main agenda items are:
> - How to maintain communication within the release team, and
>  with the wider community
> - Keith's Level Playing Field
> - Pavel's Kernel Image / Minimal Morphic
> - What to do about the update stream and the MC packages that
>  3.9 and 3.10 releases produced
>
> Secondary agenda items are:
> - Monticello 2 status
> - DeltaStreams status
>
> We most likely will not discuss specific changes/bug fixes that
> would be managed by the release team. The meeting is more an
> attempt to get some coherency into the release process, since
> there are now a few different directions the release team could
> go in. We welcome your input.
>
> I will record and post the meeting discussions
>
> --
> Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/
> Help improve Squeak Documentation: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/808
>
>

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> El 1/31/08 1:39 AM, "Matthew Fulmer" <[hidden email]> escribi?:
>
> > Edgar J. De Cleene, Keith Hodges, and I are going to hold a
> > meeting on Skype this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
>
> Sorry, but I said in the other list and to Matthew could be difficult for me
> this Saturday at 1600 UTC.
> I on the process of moving to new place, so until all process finish...

> 2) Add some I have now in FunSqueak, that is the Javier unistall, and some
> convenience code.
>
> 3) Run some Pavel code for we be sure have the latest 3.10 code .
>
> 4) Port all relevant code from all forks (OLPC, Sophie, Croquet, Squeakland,
> etc)
>
> 5) Decide of the .sources.
> I like the Maurice Raab scheme , but can't complete the process in Mac, XP or
> Linux.
> I send mails to both Ralph and Maurice, seems other people have success.
> Or I doing some stupid thing (wish know)
>
> 6) Agree with Steph and Sophie people which toys they advice how to have in
> Squeak
>
> 7) As a baby take 9 months, I said taking less is unwise, so if we start on
> 1/3/08, release must end before the year ends

> El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>> I could be connected for about 4 hours.
>>> 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
>>
>> actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my
>> time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is
>> pretty early in the morning.
>
> Ok.
> We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to  
> west of
> Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
>
> So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my  
> east)
> could be difficult.
>
> What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?

> On Feb 1, 2008, at 19:18 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>
>> El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>> I could be connected for about 4 hours.
>>>> 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
>>>
>>> actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my
>>> time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is
>>> pretty early in the morning.
>>
>> Ok.
>> We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to  
>> west of
>> Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
>>
>> So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my  
>> east)
>> could be difficult.
>>
>> What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
>
> May I suggest
>
> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>

> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=2&month=2&year=2008&p1=0&p2=141&p3=51&p4=197 
>
>
>
> El 01/02/2008, a las 19:08, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
>
>> On Feb 1, 2008, at 19:18 , Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>
>>> El 2/1/08 12:06 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 06:55:09AM -0300, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>>> I could be connected for about 4 hours.
>>>>> 8 to 12 Argentina time or 06:00 to 10:00 GMT (roughly)
>>>>
>>>> actually, it is 10:00 to 14:00 GMT, which is 03:00 to 07:00 my
>>>> time. I may try to meet with you near the end of that, but it is
>>>> pretty early in the morning.
>>>
>>> Ok.
>>> We just chat some and learn Phoenix Arizona USA is five hours to west of
>>> Rosario Santa Fe Argentina.
>>>
>>> So a convenience time for us and some Europa people (3 hours to my east)
>>> could be difficult.
>>>
>>> What about a window of 17:00 to 21:00 GMT , this is better ?
>>
>> May I suggest
>>
>> http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

> El 1/31/08 9:10 PM, "Matthew Fulmer" <[hidden email]> escribió:
>
>> In other words, we can't really start without you.
>
> I'm unimportant.
>
> Lets me paste here the same mail I send to release team mail list so  
> all
> here could have clues and give very important feedback.
>
>> If people buy the idea of start from 3.8.2 , all could be easier.
>> 3.8.2 don't have Monticello or Traits built into !
>>
>> I resume my idea , tested in private experiments.
>>
>> 1) Shrink from top, in same way as 3.10, cutting all we know could  
>> go to some
>> repository and loaded again as if never was cut. Goal is going as  
>> close of
> MinimalMorphic is possible now.
>
>> 2) Add some I have now in FunSqueak, that is the Javier unistall,  
>> and some
>> convenience code.
>>
>> 3) Run some Pavel code for we be sure have the latest 3.10 code .
>>
>> 4) Port all relevant code from all forks (OLPC, Sophie, Croquet,  
>> Squeakland,
>> etc)
>>
>> 5) Decide of the .sources.
>> I like the Maurice Raab scheme , but can't complete the process in  
>> Mac, XP or
>> Linux.
>> I send mails to both Ralph and Maurice, seems other people have  
>> success.
>> Or I doing some stupid thing (wish know)
>>
>> 6) Agree with Steph and Sophie people which toys they advice how to  
>> have in
>> Squeak
>>
>> 7) As a baby take 9 months, I said taking less is unwise, so if we  
>> start on
>> 1/3/08, release must end before the year ends
>
> And the last news is I could be on IRC and in Skype as edgardec from  
> 8 a to
> 12 Argentina time (we are now -2 GMT)
> Moving to new place was delayed one more week.
>
> Cheers !
>
>
>
>

>
>
>
> El 2/1/08 5:02 PM, "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]>  
> escribió:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Do I understand well that for 3.11 you want to start from 3.8.2?
>>
>> Stef
>
> It's only one possibility.
> The tentative image is 3.10 derivative
> But we could start from 3.8.2 and load relevant code from all places  
> as I
> said .
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
>