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Bert Freudenberg

Original Squeak Release files?

Hi folks,

does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13 release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not have kept it.

Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:

http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/

There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has been modified by Andreas to run on windows:

http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/

But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.

If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who might have it, please forward this email to them.

Thank you!

- Bert -

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Hans-Martin Mosner

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

Am 04.11.2014 21:16, schrieb Bert Freudenberg:

> Hi folks,
>
> does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13
> release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or
> Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not
> have kept it.
>
> Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/
>
> There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has
> been modified by Andreas to run on windows:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/
>
> But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.
>
> If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who
> might have it, please forward this email to them.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Bert -

I might have it on some old backup CD from my Performa that I had at the
time. Don't know whether I have enough time today to search for it,
though.

Cheers,
Hans-Martin

Hannes Hirzel

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

If is it found, it should be clearly labeled and archived at
http://ftp.squeak.org

--Hannes

On 11/5/14, hmm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Am 04.11.2014 21:16, schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13
>> release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or
>> Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not
>> have kept it.
>>
>> Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/
>>
>> There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has
>> been modified by Andreas to run on windows:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/
>>
>> But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.
>>
>> If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who
>> might have it, please forward this email to them.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> - Bert -
>
> I might have it on some old backup CD from my Performa that I had at the
> time. Don't know whether I have enough time today to search for it,
> though.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans-Martin
>
>

Raymond Asselin-4

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg

I think I get it

I put a zip file with all Squeak version 1.x I got at this adress:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66990913/Squeak%201.0.zip

> Le 2014-11-04 à 15:16, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Hi folks,
>
> does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13 release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not have kept it.
>
> Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/
>
> There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has been modified by Andreas to run on windows:
>
> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/
>
> But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.
>
> If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who might have it, please forward this email to them.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Bert -
>
>

Raymond Asselin-4

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

And also an other at:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66990913/Squeak1.1-APSL.zip

Don't remember the meaning of APSL

> Le 2014-11-05 à 15:27, Raymond Asselin <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> I think I get it
>
> I put a zip file with all Squeak version 1.x I got at this adress:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66990913/Squeak%201.0.zip
>
>
>
>
>> Le 2014-11-04 à 15:16, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13 release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not have kept it.
>>
>> Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/
>>
>> There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has been modified by Andreas to run on windows:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/
>>
>> But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.
>>
>> If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who might have it, please forward this email to them.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>

Colin Putney-3

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Raymond Asselin <[hidden email]> wrote:

And also an other at:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66990913/Squeak1.1-APSL.zip

Don't remember the meaning of APSL

It might be "Apple Public Source License".

Colin

Bert Freudenberg

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

In reply to this post by Raymond Asselin-4

Hi Raymond,

I had a look - there indeed are some files we do not have in our archive, thank you!

Unfortunately, none of these is the original.

The way to check is in the Systems-File category: if UnixFileDirectory or DosFileDirectory exist, then it is not the original, Mac-only release. This would not even work correctly on a Windows or Unix box, so it is understandable that few people kept it.

So ... Hans-Martin, did you find something?

- Bert -

On 05.11.2014, at 21:27, Raymond Asselin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think I get it
>
> I put a zip file with all Squeak version 1.x I got at this adress:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66990913/Squeak%201.0.zip
>
>
>
>
>> Le 2014-11-04 à 15:16, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> does someone still have a copy of the original 1996 Squeak 1.13 release? The file name might have been Squeak1.13.sea or Squeak1.13-mac.sea. The original Squeak team members appear do not have kept it.
>>
>> Our version archive only has a copy modified by Ian to run on unix:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.13/
>>
>> There is also an even older, pre-release version, but again that has been modified by Andreas to run on windows:
>>
>> http://ftp.squeak.org/1.1/
>>
>> But having the original bits would be an important historic artifact.
>>
>> If you have a copy, please send it my way. Or, if you know someone who might have it, please forward this email to them.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>
>

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Bert Freudenberg

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg

On 08.11.2014, at 14:34, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi bert
>
> I will build a dropbox to give you what I have.
>
> Stef

Got it, thank you! Unfortunately the original Mac release isn't in there either.

It was released on September 21, 1996.

The oldest we have is Ian's from 21 October 1996, according to the changes files.

The cleanest appears to be Andreas's Squeak1.1w from 28 October 1996.

I'll paste the change stamps below for anyone interested ...

- Bert -

1.1.3/Squeak1.13u.changes
'From Squeak 1.1 of September 21, 1996 on 23 September 1996 at 8:34:59 pm'!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:36:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:37:25 pm )!
----QUIT----(23 September 1996 8:46:53 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:21:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:26:23 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:28:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:32:39 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:35:21 am )!
----QUIT----(24 September 1996 10:40:48 am )!
----SAVEAS nfibs----(9 October 1996 2:00:42 pm )!
----SAVEAS sq----(14 October 1996 8:52:59 pm )!
----SAVEAS temp----(14 October 1996 9:02:35 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:35:59 pm )!
----SAVEAS new----(18 October 1996 2:39:40 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:45:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 2:54:54 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 3:03:06 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 3:04:47 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 3:10:32 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 5:08:46 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 5:23:10 pm )!
----QUIT----(20 October 1996 6:06:44 pm )!
----QUIT----(20 October 1996 11:10:52 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 11:54:11 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 12:51:33 am )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 12:52:54 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 4:28:50 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 4:35:29 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 4:36:13 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 4:36:23 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 5:33:25 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 5:35:13 pm )!

1.1.3/Squeak1.13w.changes
'From Squeak 1.1 of September 21, 1996 on 23 September 1996 at 8:34:59 pm'!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:36:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:37:25 pm )!
----QUIT----(23 September 1996 8:46:53 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:21:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:26:23 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:28:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:32:39 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:35:21 am )!
----QUIT----(24 September 1996 10:40:48 am )!
----SAVEAS nfibs----(9 October 1996 2:00:42 pm )!
----SAVEAS sq----(14 October 1996 8:52:59 pm )!
----SAVEAS temp----(14 October 1996 9:02:35 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:35:59 pm )!
----SAVEAS new----(18 October 1996 2:39:40 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:45:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 2:54:54 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 3:03:06 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 October 1996 3:04:47 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 3:10:32 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 5:08:46 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 5:23:10 pm )!
----QUIT----(20 October 1996 6:06:44 pm )!
----QUIT----(20 October 1996 11:10:52 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 October 1996 11:54:11 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 12:51:33 am )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 12:52:54 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 4:28:50 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 4:35:29 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 4:36:13 pm )!
----QUIT----(21 October 1996 4:36:23 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 5:33:25 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(21 October 1996 5:35:13 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(28 October 1996 1:46:39 pm )!
----QUIT----(28 October 1996 2:21:48 pm )!
----QUIT----(28 October 1996 4:31:10 pm )!

1.1/Squeak1.1w.changes
'From Squeak 1.1 of September 21, 1996 on 23 September 1996 at 8:34:59 pm'!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:36:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:37:25 pm )!
----QUIT----(23 September 1996 8:46:53 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:21:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:26:23 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:28:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:32:39 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:35:21 am )!
----QUIT----(24 September 1996 10:40:48 am )!
----QUIT----(28 October 1996 6:38:25 pm )!

1.1.6/Squeak1.16u.changes
'From Squeak 1.1 of September 21, 1996 on 23 September 1996 at 8:34:59 pm'!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:36:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:37:25 pm )!
----QUIT----(23 September 1996 8:46:53 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:21:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:26:23 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:28:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:32:39 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:35:21 am )!
----QUIT----(24 September 1996 10:40:48 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(17 October 1996 3:05:27 pm )!
----QUIT----(17 October 1996 3:35:04 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:02:34 pm )!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 9:48:38 pm )!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:00:47 pm ) priorSource: 984133!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:12:43 pm ) priorSource: 1118930!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:17:59 pm ) priorSource: 1118995!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:26:54 pm ) priorSource: 1119135!
----QUIT----(6 November 1996 11:35:50 am ) priorSource: 1142856!
----QUIT----(6 November 1996 12:29:35 pm ) priorSource: 1156700!
----QUIT----(7 November 1996 8:13:44 pm ) priorSource: 1158253!
----SNAPSHOT----(7 November 1996 8:37:52 pm ) priorSource: 1184008!
----SNAPSHOT----(7 November 1996 8:38:46 pm ) priorSource: 1325730!
----QUIT----(7 November 1996 9:43:58 pm ) priorSource: 1325894!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 8:40:09 am ) priorSource: 1328715!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 9:18:05 am ) priorSource: 1328780!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 9:57:46 am ) priorSource: 1329877!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 10:10:24 am ) priorSource: 1332907!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 11:47:20 am ) priorSource: 1336383!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 11:47:43 am ) priorSource: 1339523!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:17:51 pm ) priorSource: 1339593!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:37:52 pm ) priorSource: 1350406!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:48:12 pm ) priorSource: 1352926!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 2:11:31 pm ) priorSource: 1356846!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:46:05 pm ) priorSource: 1359952!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:54:28 pm ) priorSource: 1364382!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:56:10 pm ) priorSource: 1366093!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 3:04:00 pm ) priorSource: 1371647!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 5:44:07 pm ) priorSource: 1374911!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 5:54:31 pm ) priorSource: 1382357!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 6:12:01 pm ) priorSource: 1382647!
----QUIT----(10 November 1996 3:50:49 pm ) priorSource: 1382906!
----SNAPSHOT----(13 November 1996 7:51:47 pm ) priorSource: 1389660!
----SAVEAS
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:04:44 pm ) priorSource: 1400416!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:52:17 pm ) priorSource: 1403202!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:52:42 pm ) priorSource: 1403532!

1.1.7/Squeak1.17u.changes
'From Squeak 1.1 of September 21, 1996 on 23 September 1996 at 8:34:59 pm'!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:36:00 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(23 September 1996 8:37:25 pm )!
----QUIT----(23 September 1996 8:46:53 pm )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:21:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:26:23 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:28:44 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:32:39 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(24 September 1996 10:35:21 am )!
----QUIT----(24 September 1996 10:40:48 am )!
----SNAPSHOT----(17 October 1996 3:05:27 pm )!
----QUIT----(17 October 1996 3:35:04 pm )!
----QUIT----(18 October 1996 2:02:34 pm )!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 9:48:38 pm )!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:00:47 pm ) priorSource: 984133!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:12:43 pm ) priorSource: 1118930!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:17:59 pm ) priorSource: 1118995!
----QUIT----(5 November 1996 10:26:54 pm ) priorSource: 1119135!
----QUIT----(6 November 1996 11:35:50 am ) priorSource: 1142856!
----QUIT----(6 November 1996 12:29:35 pm ) priorSource: 1156700!
----QUIT----(7 November 1996 8:13:44 pm ) priorSource: 1158253!
----SNAPSHOT----(7 November 1996 8:37:52 pm ) priorSource: 1184008!
----SNAPSHOT----(7 November 1996 8:38:46 pm ) priorSource: 1325730!
----QUIT----(7 November 1996 9:43:58 pm ) priorSource: 1325894!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 8:40:09 am ) priorSource: 1328715!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 9:18:05 am ) priorSource: 1328780!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 9:57:46 am ) priorSource: 1329877!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 10:10:24 am ) priorSource: 1332907!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 11:47:20 am ) priorSource: 1336383!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 11:47:43 am ) priorSource: 1339523!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:17:51 pm ) priorSource: 1339593!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:37:52 pm ) priorSource: 1350406!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 1:48:12 pm ) priorSource: 1352926!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 2:11:31 pm ) priorSource: 1356846!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:46:05 pm ) priorSource: 1359952!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:54:28 pm ) priorSource: 1364382!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 2:56:10 pm ) priorSource: 1366093!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 3:04:00 pm ) priorSource: 1371647!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 5:44:07 pm ) priorSource: 1374911!
----SNAPSHOT----(8 November 1996 5:54:31 pm ) priorSource: 1382357!
----QUIT----(8 November 1996 6:12:01 pm ) priorSource: 1382647!
----QUIT----(10 November 1996 3:50:49 pm ) priorSource: 1382906!
----SNAPSHOT----(13 November 1996 7:51:47 pm ) priorSource: 1389660!
----SAVEAS
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:04:44 pm ) priorSource: 1400416!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:52:17 pm ) priorSource: 1403202!
----SNAPSHOT----(18 November 1996 2:52:42 pm ) priorSource: 1403532!
----SNAPSHOT----(19 November 1996 4:44:32 pm ) priorSource: 1403602!
----SNAPSHOT----(19 November 1996 4:44:45 pm ) priorSource: 1452058!
----SAVEAS
----SNAPSHOT----(19 November 1996 4:46:30 pm ) priorSource: 1452128!
----SNAPSHOT----(20 November 1996 12:28:46 pm ) priorSource: 1452247!

1.1.8/Squeak1.18.changes
'From Squeak 1.18 of December 12, 1996 on 13 December 1996 at 2:23:53 pm'!
----QUIT----(13 December 1996 2:26:14 pm ) priorSource: 908105!
----QUIT----(14 December 1996 9:10:29 am ) priorSource: 908137!

1.1.9/Squeak1.19d.changes
'From Squeak 1.19d of April 13, 1997 on 13 April 1997 at 11:38:03 pm'!
----QUIT----(13 April 1997 11:41:53 pm ) priorSource: 1469951!
----QUIT----(13 April 1997 11:46:52 pm ) priorSource: 1469979!
----SAVEAS test----(20 May 1997 8:35:21 am )!

1.2/Squeak1.2.changes
'From Squeak 1.19d of April 13, 1997 on 29 June 1997 at 10:40:55 am'!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 10:42:38 am ) priorSource: 1978011!
----SNAPSHOT----(29 June 1997 10:59:25 am ) priorSource: 1978055!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 11:03:18 am ) priorSource: 1978118!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 11:13:08 am ) priorSource: 1981686!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 11:14:36 am ) priorSource: 2019763!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 12:02:48 pm ) priorSource: 2019826!
----QUIT----(29 June 1997 2:37:58 pm ) priorSource: 2020999!

1.2.2/Squeak1.22.changes
'From Squeak 1.22 of September 21, 1997 on 22 September 1997 at 1:37:45 pm'!
----QUIT----(22 September 1997 1:38:59 pm ) priorSource: 2124362!
----SAVEAS ikp----(26 September 1997 2:15:53 pm )!
----SAVEAS test----(1 October 1997 1:22:47 pm )!

1.2.3/Squeak1.23.changes
'From Squeak 1.23 of October 4, 1997 on 5 October 1997 at 11:09:00 am'!
----QUIT----(5 October 1997 11:28:11 am ) priorSource: 2182822!
----QUIT----(5 October 1997 4:40:36 pm ) priorSource: 2182867!

1.3/Squeak1.3.changes
'From Squeak 1.3 of Jan 16, 1998 on 16 January 1998 at 5:55:27 pm'!
----QUIT----(16 January 1998 5:58:00 pm ) priorSource: 3476069!
----QUIT----(16 January 1998 6:04:45 pm ) priorSource: 3476100!
----QUIT----(16 January 1998 11:54:32 pm ) priorSource: 3476318!

1.31/Squeak1.31.changes
'From Squeak 1.31 of Feb 4, 1998 on 4 February 1998 at 10:59:11 pm'!
----QUIT----(4 February 1998 11:03:30 pm ) priorSource: 3607546!
----QUIT----(5 February 1998 12:28:53 am ) priorSource: 3607577!
----QUIT----(6 February 1998 1:03:07 am ) priorSource: 3612674!

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Hans-Martin Mosner

Re: Original Squeak Release files?

In reply to this post by Bert Freudenberg

Am 07.11.2014 um 13:14 schrieb Bert Freudenberg:
>
> So ... Hans-Martin, did you find something?
>
Sorry, nothing :-(
My backup CDs were mostly unreadable, and of the 3 hard disk drives that I kept from 1995-1997 two were unreadable (the
WD caviar 1.2G and 4G ones), only the 1995 IBM drive (500M) still works but does not have the files on it (there's a
MkLinux install on it plus only a minimal MacOS system).
So no success here.

Cheers,
Hans-Martin