Pharo 4 - current state?
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Hey, all.
I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss when going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day environment? can i use it as a part of my regular development? what can i do to help move everything along? thanks! |
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Excerpts from sergio_101's message of 2015-02-20 17:13:56 +0100:
> I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. > > in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss when > going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. > > my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day > environment? > > can i use it as a part of my regular development? i am using it since last month without troubles. though i only do light development mostly with zinc. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin Bähr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/ |
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I work with Pharo 4 and no longer use Pharo 3, its very stable I have not experienced any kind of problem with it except one with autocompletion when I was hacking Pharo themes for my Nirreas project. Definetly recommend it to you to switch just for GTSpotter alone and many other new nice things. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email]> wrote:
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okay, you've got me to switch.. anyway.. it's not that big deal to fire up pharo 3 with the same codebase.. i think i saw GTSpotter on a screencast somewhere.. i will go look for it.. when you mention the other nice things, where can i find them? where should i look? my day time development team (ruby and objective-c) is working on a side project during lunch presentations, and then on our own time. it will be a commercial product, and we're doing it in seaside.. .hopefully this will generate 6 new converts into the fold. it is kind of confusing for everyone at first.. but during our meetings, things get cleared up and people are getting a good handle on all of it... to the point that during regular work, i am starting to hear "i wish we (ruby ecosystem) had (insert ST goodness) here.." On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 12:07:03 PM kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I'd like to ask you for a lit of these. Also, what are the things that required to be cleared up? TIA > |
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I made a video tutorial about it here Well Pharo 4 comes with GT tools a new inspector and a new workspace. I am also a huge fan of the new Dark Theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNh6VtPy8m4&list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_&index=23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBRNqwDPrU On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:44 AM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
+1. Please compile a list as you go :) Peoples first impressions good & bad are useful, and its the sort of comparison that is hard to think back to later on. good luck, cheers -ben |
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Cool
Videos are really important. Kilon just one little feedback, pay attention to get something moving fast on the screen. Stef Le 20/2/15 19:46, kilon alios a écrit :
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Can you rephrase that Stef ? I dont understand what you trying to say. On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:02 PM, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I guess he means "fast" = "soon". Don't talk too long at a static screen. video ==> motion ==> interest. cheers -ben On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:08 PM, kilon alios <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I see , good advise,I will try to keep it in mind next time , thanks On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I should have said as early as possible :)
Le 21/2/15 15:11, kilon alios a écrit :
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Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about
Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. 2. Control arrow key to move between words. I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, ¿when it is planed, mid April? Cheers, Offray El 20/02/15 a las 13:46, kilon alios escribió: > I made a video tutorial about it here > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNh6VtPy8m4&list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_&index=23 > > Well Pharo 4 comes with GT tools a new inspector and a new workspace. I am also > a huge fan of the new Dark Theme. > > Using Pharo makes you feel like Neo from The Matrix , you look at the screen , > realise the power of live coding and you say "WOW" > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBRNqwDPrU > > Sure Pharo is far from perfect , it comes with its own kind of annoyances but I > think its so beautifully unique its hard to resist. > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > okay, you've got me to switch.. anyway.. it's not that big deal to fire up > pharo 3 with the same codebase.. > > i think i saw GTSpotter on a screencast somewhere.. i will go look for it.. > > when you mention the other nice things, where can i find them? where should > i look? > > my day time development team (ruby and objective-c) is working on a side > project during lunch presentations, and then on our own time. it will be a > commercial product, and we're doing it in seaside.. .hopefully this will > generate 6 new converts into the fold. it is kind of confusing for everyone > at first.. but during our meetings, things get cleared up and people are > getting a good handle on all of it... > > to the point that during regular work, i am starting to hear "i wish we > (ruby ecosystem) had (insert ST goodness) here.." > > On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 12:07:03 PM kilon alios <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > I work with Pharo 4 and no longer use Pharo 3, its very stable I have > not experienced any kind of problem with it except one with > autocompletion when I was hacking Pharo themes for my Nirreas project. > > Definetly recommend it to you to switch just for GTSpotter alone and > many other new nice things. > > There million ways to help, you can a) bug fix c) document d) make your > own tools and share them with the rest of us e) introduce pharo to other > people so we can grow as a community and the list goes on and on. > > I only spend a hour a day with Pharo but is my happiest hour :) > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Hey, all. > > I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. > > in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss > when going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. > > my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day > environment? > > can i use it as a part of my regular development? > > what can i do to help move everything along? > > thanks! > > > |
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> On 16 Mar 2015, at 17:41, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: > > 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. > > 2. Control arrow key to move between words. > > I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, ¿when it is planed, mid April? > No, as right now there are no issues reported related to them. (sometimes I really wonder….) Marcus |
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> On 16 Mar 2015, at 17:41, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thanks for your tutorials Kilion. They're very valuable. Talking about Pharo 4, I have downloaded and play a little with it, but I feel it lacks two features that are important to me: > > 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) Esteban > > 2. Control arrow key to move between words. > > I imagine that this features will be implemented in the final release. By the way, ¿when it is planed, mid April? > > Cheers, > > Offray > > El 20/02/15 a las 13:46, kilon alios escribió: >> I made a video tutorial about it here >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNh6VtPy8m4&list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_&index=23 >> >> Well Pharo 4 comes with GT tools a new inspector and a new workspace. I am also >> a huge fan of the new Dark Theme. >> >> Using Pharo makes you feel like Neo from The Matrix , you look at the screen , >> realise the power of live coding and you say "WOW" >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBRNqwDPrU >> >> Sure Pharo is far from perfect , it comes with its own kind of annoyances but I >> think its so beautifully unique its hard to resist. >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:10 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> okay, you've got me to switch.. anyway.. it's not that big deal to fire up >> pharo 3 with the same codebase.. >> >> i think i saw GTSpotter on a screencast somewhere.. i will go look for it.. >> >> when you mention the other nice things, where can i find them? where should >> i look? >> >> my day time development team (ruby and objective-c) is working on a side >> project during lunch presentations, and then on our own time. it will be a >> commercial product, and we're doing it in seaside.. .hopefully this will >> generate 6 new converts into the fold. it is kind of confusing for everyone >> at first.. but during our meetings, things get cleared up and people are >> getting a good handle on all of it... >> >> to the point that during regular work, i am starting to hear "i wish we >> (ruby ecosystem) had (insert ST goodness) here.." >> >> On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 12:07:03 PM kilon alios <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> I work with Pharo 4 and no longer use Pharo 3, its very stable I have >> not experienced any kind of problem with it except one with >> autocompletion when I was hacking Pharo themes for my Nirreas project. >> >> Definetly recommend it to you to switch just for GTSpotter alone and >> many other new nice things. >> >> There million ways to help, you can a) bug fix c) document d) make your >> own tools and share them with the rest of us e) introduce pharo to other >> people so we can grow as a community and the list goes on and on. >> >> I only spend a hour a day with Pharo but is my happiest hour :) >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:13 PM, sergio_101 <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> Hey, all. >> >> I had an hour last night to start playing with pharo 4. >> >> in the hour that played with it, there are already features i miss >> when going back to pharo 3 for getting work done. >> >> my questions is, how close is pharo 4 to be useable in a day to day >> environment? >> >> can i use it as a part of my regular development? >> >> what can i do to help move everything along? >> >> thanks! >> >> >> > > |
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El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: [...] >> 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with the one on Pharo 3. > > nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) > > Esteban > Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a list of possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a tab, with no auto-completion at all :-/. Cheers, Offray |
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check your settings, you should have something like this: 
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Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion"
to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your screenshot. Should this be made the default one? Cheers, Offray El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: > >> On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: >> >> [...] >> >>>> 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with >>>> the one on Pharo 3. >>> >>> nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >> >> Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two >> behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a list of >> possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a tab, with >> no auto-completion at all :-/. > > check your settings, you should have something like this: > > > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> > |
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Yes it should and for some reason it continues resetting to the old one :(
> On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:48, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion" to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your screenshot. Should this be made the default one? > > Cheers, > > Offray > >> El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: >> >>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>>> 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive compared with >>>>> the one on Pharo 3. >>>> >>>> nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>> >>> Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two >>> behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a list of >>> possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a tab, with >>> no auto-completion at all :-/. >> >> check your settings, you should have something like this: >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray > > |
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The only preference I can't find is the one which makes Control + arrow
key move/select words, like is usual on most programs. Should I fill a bug report about enabling this preference? Cheers, Offray El 16/03/15 a las 13:48, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió: > Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion" > to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your > screenshot. Should this be made the default one? > > Cheers, > > Offray > > El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: >> >>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas >>> <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió: >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>>> 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive >>>>> compared with >>>>> the one on Pharo 3. >>>> >>>> nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :) >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>> >>> Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two >>> behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a list of >>> possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a >>> tab, with >>> no auto-completion at all :-/. >> >> check your settings, you should have something like this: >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >> > > > |
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