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Damien Cassou

Please help us by buying the book

Hi,

please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/

Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

jtuchel

Re: Please help us by buying the book

Damien,

from this perspective; is there a difference in revenues between printed
and pdf?

Joachim

Am 16.09.13 16:24, schrieb Damien Cassou:
> Hi,
>
> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>
> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>
> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.
>

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jannik laval

Re: Please help us by buying the book

Dear Joachim,

Yes, the printed version gives approximatively 15 USD, the pdf gives 6USD

Best regards,

Jannik

2013/9/16 [hidden email] <[hidden email]>

Damien,

from this perspective; is there a difference in revenues between printed and pdf?

Joachim

Am 16.09.13 16:24, schrieb Damien Cassou:

Hi,

please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/

Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

--
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~~Jannik Laval~~
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Damien Cassou

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by jtuchel

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM, [hidden email]
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> from this perspective; is there a difference in revenues between printed and
> pdf?

normally this is shown when you click on either the "Get PDF" or "Get
printed" buttons on the website.

For the PDF: you pay 6 €, Pharo association gets 4.73€
For the printed edition: you pay 25 €, Pharo association gets 11.44€

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

Guillermo Polito

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou

What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/

Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: Please help us by buying the book

I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)
Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/9/16 Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]>:

> What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>>
>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>>
>> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.
>>
>> --
>> Damien Cassou
>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>
>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>> losing enthusiasm."
>> Winston Churchill
>>
>

Uko2

Re: Please help us by buying the book

How about iBooks :)

uko

On 16 вер. 2013, at 17:38, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)
> Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
> 2013/9/16 Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]>:
>> What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>>>
>>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>>>
>>> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Damien Cassou
>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>
>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>> Winston Churchill
>>>
>>
>

Damien Cassou

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Esteban A. Maringolo

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)

if you have a solution to generate Kindle/ibook from latex, then we
can try. Otherwise, please download the PDF and tell us how is looks
on mobile platforms.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

Damien Cassou

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Guillermo Polito

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Guillermo Polito
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)

I tweeted from my account and ESUG's one.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

jannik laval

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Uko2

no iBooks for now. It needs another document format, and I don't know how much work it needs.

If someone wants to contribute :)...

Jannik

2013/9/16 Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]>

How about iBooks :)

uko

On 16 вер. 2013, at 17:38, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)
> Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
> 2013/9/16 Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]>:
>> What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>>>
>>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>>>
>>> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Damien Cassou
>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>
>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>> Winston Churchill
>>>
>>
>

~~Jannik Laval~~
École des Mines de Douai
Enseignant-chercheur
http://www.jannik-laval.eu

Uko2

Re: Please help us by buying the book

http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ can convert latex to epub. epub is actually a wrapper around html, so if it's written in pier it can be even easier.

uko

On 16 вер. 2013, at 17:48, jannik laval <[hidden email]> wrote:

no iBooks for now. It needs another document format, and I don't know how much work it needs.

If someone wants to contribute :)...

Jannik

2013/9/16 Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]>
How about iBooks :)

uko

On 16 вер. 2013, at 17:38, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)
> Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
> 2013/9/16 Guillermo Polito <[hidden email]>:
>> What about a tweet from the pharo tweeter so we can retweet? ;)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>>>
>>> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>>>
>>> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Damien Cassou
>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>>>
>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
>>> losing enthusiasm."
>>> Winston Churchill
>>>
>>
>

--
~~Jannik Laval~~
École des Mines de Douai
Enseignant-chercheur
http://www.jannik-laval.eu

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou

On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:24, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book
>
> http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/
>
> Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

Done.

Great work, Damien, Stéphane, Alexandre & Jannik.

Your effort is much appreciated.

Sven

> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm."
> Winston Churchill
>

Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou

2013/9/16 Damien Cassou <[hidden email]>:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I would pay an intermediate price to get a Kindle edition :)
>
> if you have a solution to generate Kindle/ibook from latex, then we
> can try. Otherwise, please download the PDF and tell us how is looks
> on mobile platforms.

The PDF on any mobile platform is rendered horribly, because PDF is
"print oriented", so no automatic text-flow on font-size increase,
etc. I rather use HTML than PDF on mobile/kindle. It looks bad even on
a 7" tablet.

I have this bookmarked since a lot of time. The file it generates is
even better than some books purchased at Amazon itself.
https://github.com/danchoi/kindlefodder#writing-your-own-ebook-recipes
I haven't had time/will to spend on it.

Maybe if you can convert latex to HTML, we can do something.

Regards!

ps: Meanwhile I'll contribute through Lulu's PDF purchase ;-)

Juraj Kubelka-5

Re: Please help us by buying the book

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Esteban A. Maringolo

Re: Please help us by buying the book

Yeap, it is english. I was about to report the same thing.

Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/9/16 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>

Hi,

I suppose it is en error, but PDF version on lulu page says it is in French language.
It is in English, isn't it?

Thank you for the great job!

Cheers,
Jura

El 16-09-2013, a las 11:24, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> escribió:

Hi,

please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/

Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

jannik laval

Re: Please help us by buying the book

Thank you for the report.

I fixed it.

Jannik

2013/9/16 Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]>

Yeap, it is english. I was about to report the same thing.

Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/9/16 Juraj Kubelka <[hidden email]>

Hi,

I suppose it is en error, but PDF version on lulu page says it is in French language.
It is in English, isn't it?

Thank you for the great job!

Cheers,
Jura

El 16-09-2013, a las 11:24, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> escribió:

Hi,

please support our work on Pharo by buying the new Deep into Pharo book

http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/deepIntoPharo/

Your money go to the Pharo Association, so it's worth it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

~~Jannik Laval~~
École des Mines de Douai
Enseignant-chercheur
http://www.jannik-laval.eu

Paul DeBruicker

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Damien Cassou

On 09/16/2013 07:32 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM, [hidden email]
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> from this perspective; is there a difference in revenues between printed and
>> pdf?
>
>
> normally this is shown when you click on either the "Get PDF" or "Get
> printed" buttons on the website.
>
> For the PDF: you pay 6 €, Pharo association gets 4.73€
> For the printed edition: you pay 25 €, Pharo association gets 11.44€
>

Disclaimer: bikeshedding

1. I think you're not charging enough, see:
http://blog.asmartbear.com/selling-ebook.html. Why not PDF version for
29, physical copy for 35, both for 39, both plus t-shirt for 49? Have a
fat student discount for the PDF.

You're selling to a small population of either professionals who make $
from the info you provide or students.

2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download
that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you
contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be
switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF
and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to
automatically respond to their orders?

Its my understanding that you're coming out with more books in the
future. It would seem to help all of us if you can maximize the revenue
from that effort as we are a small but committed group.

Damien Cassou

Re: Please help us by buying the book

In reply to this post by Uko2

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ can convert latex to epub. epub is
> actually a wrapper around html, so if it's written in pier it can be even
> easier.

thanks for the link. I've just tried and found these first problems:

- pandoc doesn't accept $^ in the LaTeX input file. As you can
imagine, this character is present everywhere :-)
- if I replace all $^ by "return", I managed to compile the Block
chapter (see deepIntoPharo.html attached). However, pandoc didn't
recognize our listings.

If you know a little about pandoc and want to contribute, please try
(LaTeX sources are at https://gforge.inria.fr/projects/pharobooks/)

The command I used is:

pandoc --standalone --table-of-contents --from=latex --to=html
--output=deepIntoPharo.html Block/Block.tex

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

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Damien Cassou

Re: Please help us by buying the book

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download
> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you
> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be
> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF
> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to
> automatically respond to their orders?

I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to
build a little app that would do that, we would really like it.

--
Damien Cassou
http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
losing enthusiasm."
Winston Churchill

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Please help us by buying the book

On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download
>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you
>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be
>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF
>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to
>> automatically respond to their orders?
>
> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to
> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it.

Oh YES!!!
We would love to have that.

Stef

>
> --
> Damien Cassou
> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st
>
> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without
> losing enthusiasm."
> Winston Churchill
>