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One more question for you...
In my current app, I use Glorp for my database storage needs... So far so good.. However, I see a few places in my code where things seem to take longer than I'd expect and frankly I'm not really sure what is consuming the time. For instance, my login page which does a database query to populate a select box frequently takes a bit over a second to render on a 1.67Ghz Powerbook (ppc). In older versions of Seaside I recall seeing a way to get a list of how long various things took to render in a tree layout but can't find that anymore -- just an overall list of how long the page took to render. If I want to profile code whats the best way to do that under VW/Seaside and will it include non-Seaside items such as Glorp calls,etc? Thanks! -- Rick _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2008/11/25 Richard E. Flower <[hidden email]>:
> One more question for you... > > In my current app, I use Glorp for my database storage needs... So far so > good.. However, I see a few places in my code > where things seem to take longer than I'd expect and frankly I'm not really > sure what is consuming the time. For instance, > my login page which does a database query to populate a select box > frequently takes a bit over a second to render on a > 1.67Ghz Powerbook (ppc). > > In older versions of Seaside I recall seeing a way to get a list of how long > various things took to render in a tree layout > but can't find that anymore -- just an overall list of how long the page > took to render. If I want to profile code whats the > best way to do that under VW/Seaside and will it include non-Seaside items > such as Glorp calls,etc? Do you mean the toolbar at the very bottom? http://www.seaside.st/documentation/tools If you don't have it disable deployment mode in the configuration of your application. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Tue, November 25, 2008 10:04 am, Philippe Marschall wrote:
> > Do you mean the toolbar at the very bottom? > http://www.seaside.st/documentation/tools > > If you don't have it disable deployment mode in the configuration of > your application. I don't have deployment mode enabled (still have the halo's,etc) but don't recall seeing the profile link or it was disabled.. I don't have it in front of me currently but will double check tonight when I get home.. Thx! _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Flower <[hidden email]> writes:
Rick> I don't have deployment mode enabled (still have the halo's,etc) but Rick> don't recall seeing the profile link or it was disabled.. I don't have Rick> it in front of me currently but will double check tonight when I get Rick> home.. Thx! You didn't give your platform. As I recall, profile works on Squeak, but not VW, for example. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <[hidden email]> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Tue, November 25, 2008 11:48 am, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
> You didn't give your platform. As I recall, profile works on Squeak, > but not VW, for example. Ahh.. That would be the problem then.. I'm on VW.. I'm fairly certain that older versions of Seaside (on VW) did do Profiling -- perhaps in the Seaside 2.6 time frame..? At least that's what I recall.. Thanks for the info.. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Rick Flower wrote:
> On Tue, November 25, 2008 11:48 am, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > >> You didn't give your platform. As I recall, profile works on Squeak, >> but not VW, for example. >> > > Ahh.. That would be the problem then.. I'm on VW.. I'm fairly certain that > older versions of Seaside (on VW) did do Profiling -- perhaps in the Seaside > 2.6 time frame..? At least that's what I recall.. Thanks for the info.. > So why not just use the VW profilers in your dev image instead? cheers Steve _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Not Seaside-specific, but probably the easiest thing to do
is load the "AT Profiling UI" parcel and do something
like
MultiTimeProfiler startProfiling. before you start, and MultiTimeProfiler stopProfiling at the end. You can also do a profile that just takes the time for a particular process inside a block, but for web-type applications having it take into account all processes is often useful. For Glorp-specific profiling, see the GlorpAnalysis package and the GlorpQueryPerformanceAnalyzer in particular. This doesn't have a nice UI, but will give you the ability to look at the time taken by queries, and aggregating particular types of queries. At 09:14 AM 11/25/2008, Richard E. Flower wrote: One more question for you... --
Alan Knight [|], Engineering Manager, Cincom Smalltalk
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2008/11/25, Randal L. Schwartz <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Flower <[hidden email]> writes: > > Rick> I don't have deployment mode enabled (still have the halo's,etc) but > Rick> don't recall seeing the profile link or it was disabled.. I don't have > Rick> it in front of me currently but will double check tonight when I get > Rick> home.. Thx! > > You didn't give your platform. As I recall, profile works on Squeak, > but not VW, for example. It's quite uncool they dropped that. Especially comparing to GemStone which managed to provide additional value with their tools in the toolbar. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Did someone check if it appears when you load AT Profiling Tools? That's how I would have done it... _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, November 26, 2008 8:42 am, Boris Popov wrote:
> Did someone check if it appears when you load AT Profiling Tools? That's > how I would have done it... I just loaded ATProfilingUI.pcl from the 'advanced' directory and then loaded up the regular Seaside page and toggled Halo's just to make sure.. Regardless, nothing there for profiling at this point.. Without having used the backend as Alan suggested, could this be remedied by something as simple as hooking the calls that Alan suggested to a set of methods buried somewhere within Seaside (connected to the toolbar)? Just curious.. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Rick,
Can you try SeasideProfiler in the public store? The Cincom guys are cool, they didn't drop it. Cheers, Michel. > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf > Of Rick Flower > Sent: mercredi, 26. novembre 2008 18:20 > To: Seaside - general discussion > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Profiling... > > On Wed, November 26, 2008 8:42 am, Boris Popov wrote: > > Did someone check if it appears when you load AT Profiling Tools? > > That's how I would have done it... > > I just loaded ATProfilingUI.pcl from the 'advanced' directory > and then loaded up the regular Seaside page and toggled > Halo's just to make sure.. > > Regardless, nothing there for profiling at this point.. > Without having used the backend as Alan suggested, could this > be remedied by something as simple as hooking the calls that > Alan suggested to a set of methods buried somewhere within > Seaside (connected to the toolbar)? Just curious.. > > > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, November 26, 2008 9:50 am, Bany, Michel wrote:
> Hi Rick, > Can you try SeasideProfiler in the public store? > The Cincom guys are cool, they didn't drop it. Thanks Michel- I'll try it when I get home.. Unfortunately, I'm at work (where I don't do any ST work) and haven't yet figured out a way to connect to the public store from behind a firewall that blocks that port.. Anyway, I'll let you know later.. Thanks again! _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:54:50 -0800 (PST)
"Rick Flower" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'll try it when I get home.. Unfortunately, I'm at work (where I > don't do any ST work) and haven't yet figured out a way to connect to > the public store from behind a firewall that blocks that port.. > Anyway, I'll let you know later.. Thanks again! No excuse ... IIRC, James Robertson said that the repo is also available on port 80 :-) s. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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2008/11/26, Bany, Michel <[hidden email]>:
> Hi Rick, > Can you try SeasideProfiler in the public store? > The Cincom guys are cool, they didn't drop it. Uhm sorry, but this was published like right now. The Store displays the date. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I think "overlooked" rather than "dropped" would be a better way to
look at this. James Robertson Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > 2008/11/25, Randal L. Schwartz <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Flower <[hidden email]> writes: >> >> Rick> I don't have deployment mode enabled (still have the >> halo's,etc) but >> Rick> don't recall seeing the profile link or it was disabled.. I >> don't have >> Rick> it in front of me currently but will double check tonight >> when I get >> Rick> home.. Thx! >> >> You didn't give your platform. As I recall, profile works on Squeak, >> but not VW, for example. > > It's quite uncool they dropped that. Especially comparing to GemStone > which managed to provide additional value with their tools in the > toolbar. > > Cheers > Philippe > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > 2008/11/26, Bany, Michel <[hidden email]>: >> Hi Rick, >> Can you try SeasideProfiler in the public store? >> The Cincom guys are cool, they didn't drop it. > > Uhm sorry, but this was published like right now. The Store > displays the date. How does that related to being cool or not? _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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To follow up, Michel's code is marked for integration into both the
base VW Seaside port and our Web Velocity work. We're happy to have people tell us that we're missing things, so long as the criticism falls into the "constructive criticism" side of things. James Robertson Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Michel Bany wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> 2008/11/26, Bany, Michel <[hidden email]>: >>> Hi Rick, >>> Can you try SeasideProfiler in the public store? >>> The Cincom guys are cool, they didn't drop it. >> >> Uhm sorry, but this was published like right now. The Store >> displays the date. > > How does that related to being cool or not? > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Wed, November 26, 2008 10:06 am, Stefan Schmiedl wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) > "Rick Flower" <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I'll try it when I get home.. Unfortunately, I'm at work (where I >> don't do any ST work) and haven't yet figured out a way to connect to >> the public store from behind a firewall that blocks that port.. >> Anyway, I'll let you know later.. Thanks again! > > No excuse ... IIRC, James Robertson said that the repo is also available > on port 80 :-) I tried pointing to port 80 but knew my problem already.. We've got a proxy running on port 80 that needs authentication.. Any ideas on how to do that and have the public store still available? I looked in the preferences for VW but didn't see any http proxy settings.. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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You can specify proxy settings - load all the NetClients parcels
James Robertson Cincom Smalltalk Product Evangelist http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library On Nov 26, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Rick Flower wrote: > On Wed, November 26, 2008 10:06 am, Stefan Schmiedl wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) >> "Rick Flower" <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> I'll try it when I get home.. Unfortunately, I'm at work (where I >>> don't do any ST work) and haven't yet figured out a way to connect >>> to >>> the public store from behind a firewall that blocks that port.. >>> Anyway, I'll let you know later.. Thanks again! >> >> No excuse ... IIRC, James Robertson said that the repo is also >> available >> on port 80 :-) > > I tried pointing to port 80 but knew my problem already.. We've got > a proxy > running on port 80 that needs authentication.. Any ideas on how to > do that > and have the public store still available? I looked in the > preferences for > VW but didn't see any http proxy settings.. > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Ok -- just an update. I loaded SeasideProfiler and also the below mentioned NetClients and have two questions : 1) For SeasideProfiler -- I get a "Profiler" link now in Seaside and when pressed I get "no samples" in the very bottom of the window.. For the life of me I can't get anything other than "no samples".. Any ideas? 2) For the Http Proxy settings, how do I set the proxy config? I didn't notice any changes in the preferences panel or anywhere else.. Thx! -- Rick _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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