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Propagación/Propagation de/of applausos/applause

Carlos Rabassa
English version after spanish text

Pensamos que con el objeto "Part?culas" de Etoys,  podr?amos visualizar la propagaci?n de aplausos en actos con p?blico como discursos y obras teatrales.  

Ser?a buen?simo si alguien hace un proyecto ilustrativo.

Tradicionalmente,  cuando el presidente de EEUU presentaba su informe anual verbal,  televisado desde el Congreso,  resultaba muy notable ver a sus partidarios,  sentados todos juntos en una mitad de la c?mara,  levantarse a aplaudir de pi? con mucha energ?a,  mientras los adversarios permanec?an serios y quietos en sus asientos en el lado opuesto de la c?mara.

Visto desde la televisi?n,  este fen?meno causaba mal efecto.

Gener? muchas cr?ticas a congresistas de todos los partidos.

Se dec?a que apoyan sin pensar lo que dice su partido.

Se dec?a que se oponen,  tambi?n sin pensar,  a todo lo que proponen los de la oposici?n.

Para el discurso m?s reciente,  en Enero de 2011,  decidieron sentarse en forma alternada.

Cada congresista estaba sentado entre dos miembros que no pertenec?an a su mismo partido pol?tico.

Copio la descripci?n aparecida en un diario de lo que vimos esta vez:

>> ? Cuando el Sr. Obama dec?a algo que normalmente habr?a llevado a sus partidarios [Dem?cratas] a una ovaci?n de pi?,  algunos lo hicieron,  otros se aguantaron y sus adversarios [Republicanos] algunas veces segu?an al l?der [de los aplausos].

Los legisladores reunidos,  parec?an tener menor inclinaci?n a unirse a la corriente sostenida de fuertes aplausos que hab?an caracterizado discursos anteriores en la c?mara.

Esto ayud? a agilizar el informe del Sr. Obama (aunque a?n as? dur? m?s de una hora).

Los aplausos desorganizados tambi?n crearon cierta asimetr?a a trav?s de la c?mara,  con congresistas que se paraban repentinamente independientemente de sus vecinos de asiento silenciosos. <<

El art?culo completo est? en:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us


English version


We think we might visualize the propagation of applause in public events such as speeches or theater shows,  using the "Particles" object of Etoys.  

It would be really nice if someone can create a project illustrating this phenomenon.

Traditionally,  when the U.S. President gave his State of the Union address,  televised from Congress,  it was very noticeable how his supporters,  sitting all-together in one side of the chamber,  raised to applaud in energetic standing ovations,  while his adversaries remained serious and quiet on their seats,  on the opposite side of the chamber.

Viewing this phenomenon caused a bad impression on TV viewers.

Congress members from all parties were frequently criticized.

Critics said congress members support the opinion of their parties without thinking.

They also said they oppose all proposals supported by the party of their adversaries.

For the most recent speech,  January 2011, they decided to take alternate seats.

Each member of congress was seating between two members who didn?t belong to his party.

I transcribe the description of what was seen this time,  from a newspaper article:

>> ... When Mr. Obama would say something that normally would have spurred Democrats to stand, some did, others refrained, and Republicans sometimes followed their lead.

The assembled lawmakers seemed less inclined to join in the usual stream of sustained, loud clapping that have marked past addresses given in the chamber.

While that helped to speed Mr. Obama?s remarks along (still, they ran more than an hour), the unorganized applause also created some asymmetry throughout the chamber, with members popping up separately from their silent seatmates. ...<<

The complete article is at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us


Carlos Rabassa
Voluntario
Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
Montevideo, Uruguay





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[Sur] Propagación/Propagation de/of applausos/applause

Carlos Rabassa
> English version after Spanish text


Un docente de Inform?tica de Educaci?n Secundaria de Uruguay sigue estos foros y nos hizo llegar este comentario para compartir con ustedes:

>> No soy de escribir en estos espacios pero en este caso se me ocurri? compartir una idea al leer lo de los aplausos.

Es una costumbre muy generalizada (creo que en varios pa?ses, no solo en Uruguay) que cuando un/a ni?o/a se pierde en un lugar p?blico (ya sea en un shopping, playa, plaza o similares) las personas presentes comienzan a aplaudir para propagar la necesidad de encuentro del ni?o.

Lo comparto como una peque?a idea m?s de estudio. <<

No conoc?amos el sistema pero la primera persona a la que pregunt?,  me dijo que s? que lo hab?a visto usar en una playa.

Tal vez en el modelo haya que comenzar con varias personas enteradas del problema que comiencen a aplaudir juntos.

Luego,  en la playa,  imagino que para o?r esos aplausos hay que estar cerca.

Tambi?n imagino que habr? considerable demora entre escuchar el aplauso y ponerse a aplaudir.

Carlos Rabassa


> English version

A High School Computer Science Professor from Uruguay,  who follows these forums,  sent us this message to share with you all:

>> I do not post message in these media but in this case I thought of sharing an idea when I read about applauses.

There is a quite wide spread custom (I believe spanning several countries,  not only Uruguay):

When a child gets lost in a public place such as a shopping center, beach, park or similar places, people start applauding to propagate the need of finding the child.

May I share this as one more small idea to study. <<

We didn't know about this practice but the first person we asked said she had seen it used at the beach.

For the Etoys model we probably have to start with several persons,  together in a small area,  already applauding.

I imagine that in a beach,  to hear these applause,  we have to be close to those applauding.

I also imagine there is a considerable delay between hearing the applause and start applauding.

Carlos Rabassa






On Feb 6, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Carlos Rabassa wrote:

> English version after spanish text
>
> Pensamos que con el objeto "Part?culas" de Etoys,  podr?amos visualizar la propagaci?n de aplausos en actos con p?blico como discursos y obras teatrales.  
>
> Ser?a buen?simo si alguien hace un proyecto ilustrativo.
>
> Tradicionalmente,  cuando el presidente de EEUU presentaba su informe anual verbal,  televisado desde el Congreso,  resultaba muy notable ver a sus partidarios,  sentados todos juntos en una mitad de la c?mara,  levantarse a aplaudir de pi? con mucha energ?a,  mientras los adversarios permanec?an serios y quietos en sus asientos en el lado opuesto de la c?mara.
>
> Visto desde la televisi?n,  este fen?meno causaba mal efecto.
>
> Gener? muchas cr?ticas a congresistas de todos los partidos.
>
> Se dec?a que apoyan sin pensar lo que dice su partido.
>
> Se dec?a que se oponen,  tambi?n sin pensar,  a todo lo que proponen los de la oposici?n.
>
> Para el discurso m?s reciente,  en Enero de 2011,  decidieron sentarse en forma alternada.
>
> Cada congresista estaba sentado entre dos miembros que no pertenec?an a su mismo partido pol?tico.
>
> Copio la descripci?n aparecida en un diario de lo que vimos esta vez:
>
> >> ? Cuando el Sr. Obama dec?a algo que normalmente habr?a llevado a sus partidarios [Dem?cratas] a una ovaci?n de pi?,  algunos lo hicieron,  otros se aguantaron y sus adversarios [Republicanos] algunas veces segu?an al l?der [de los aplausos].
>
> Los legisladores reunidos,  parec?an tener menor inclinaci?n a unirse a la corriente sostenida de fuertes aplausos que hab?an caracterizado discursos anteriores en la c?mara.
>
> Esto ayud? a agilizar el informe del Sr. Obama (aunque a?n as? dur? m?s de una hora).
>
> Los aplausos desorganizados tambi?n crearon cierta asimetr?a a trav?s de la c?mara,  con congresistas que se paraban repentinamente independientemente de sus vecinos de asiento silenciosos. <<
>
> El art?culo completo est? en:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us
>
>
> English version
>
>
> We think we might visualize the propagation of applause in public events such as speeches or theater shows,  using the "Particles" object of Etoys.  
>
> It would be really nice if someone can create a project illustrating this phenomenon.
>
> Traditionally,  when the U.S. President gave his State of the Union address,  televised from Congress,  it was very noticeable how his supporters,  sitting all-together in one side of the chamber,  raised to applaud in energetic standing ovations,  while his adversaries remained serious and quiet on their seats,  on the opposite side of the chamber.
>
> Viewing this phenomenon caused a bad impression on TV viewers.
>
> Congress members from all parties were frequently criticized.
>
> Critics said congress members support the opinion of their parties without thinking.
>
> They also said they oppose all proposals supported by the party of their adversaries.
>
> For the most recent speech,  January 2011, they decided to take alternate seats.
>
> Each member of congress was seating between two members who didn?t belong to his party.
>
> I transcribe the description of what was seen this time,  from a newspaper article:
>
> >> ... When Mr. Obama would say something that normally would have spurred Democrats to stand, some did, others refrained, and Republicans sometimes followed their lead.
>
> The assembled lawmakers seemed less inclined to join in the usual stream of sustained, loud clapping that have marked past addresses given in the chamber.
>
> While that helped to speed Mr. Obama?s remarks along (still, they ran more than an hour), the unorganized applause also created some asymmetry throughout the chamber, with members popping up separately from their silent seatmates. ...<<
>
> The complete article is at:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us
>
>
> Carlos Rabassa
> Voluntario
> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal
> Montevideo, Uruguay
>
>
>
>
>
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