[Q] Squeak feature bounties
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I've been a lurker and user of Squeak since the 1.x days, and have built up a large list of small and large changes and features I would like to see made available in Squeak. I simply do not have the time nor the necessary skills to implement my wishlist. I suspect many people are the same. I have been thinking lately about Software Bounties. Increasingly, large open source projects are providing mechanisms for people to put up a bounty for a particular feature - the first person to implement the feature gets the bounty. The feature is then made available to everyone under the standard open source licence. Examples: * http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ * http://www.ubuntu.com/developers/bounties * http://bountycounty.org/ The bounties aren't equivalent to the commercial cost of writing the software, so it is not a straight forward case of hiring a programmer. Bounties can range from the simple to the economically sophisticated (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2005/05/assurance_contr.html, http://www.fundable.org/). I suspect that the success of a Squeak bounty would depend on the available excess of programming 'capital' (ie, how many Squeakers have free time and inclination to step up and develop). I don't know how much free resources the community has. Although I am sadly not a billionare like Mark Shuttleworth :) I am prepared to put some money at least where my mouth is if I thought it would work. What are the opinions of the people on this list? Best wishes, Russell [hidden email] |
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On 07.03.2006, at 01:28, Russell Allen wrote: > > I have been thinking lately about Software Bounties. Increasingly, > large > open source projects are providing mechanisms for people to put up a > bounty for a particular feature - the first person to implement the > feature gets the bounty. The feature is then made available to > everyone > under the standard open source licence. > > Examples: > > * http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ > * http://www.ubuntu.com/developers/bounties > * http://bountycounty.org/ > > The bounties aren't equivalent to the commercial cost of writing the > software, so it is not a straight forward case of hiring a programmer. > ..... > What are the opinions of the people on this list? > We have already discussed about bounties on the SqF board list, and it would be interesting to know the opinion of people about this. I personally think having a platform for posting/managing Bounties would be very nice to have... I can't say I have a clue of how good this works, but it would be an experiment we should do. > Although I am sadly not a billionare like Mark Shuttleworth :) I think he made something like 550 million with selling Thawte... not that there is any practical difference, though ;-) Ubuntu has a lot of interesting infrastructure to learn from: e.g., they have a web-based system for managing translations: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about Marcus |
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/Klaus On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:08:13 +0100, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote: > > On 07.03.2006, at 01:28, Russell Allen wrote: > >> >> I have been thinking lately about Software Bounties. Increasingly, large >> open source projects are providing mechanisms for people to put up a >> bounty for a particular feature - the first person to implement the >> feature gets the bounty. The feature is then made available to everyone >> under the standard open source licence. >> >> Examples: >> >> * http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ >> * http://www.ubuntu.com/developers/bounties >> * http://bountycounty.org/ >> >> The bounties aren't equivalent to the commercial cost of writing the >> software, so it is not a straight forward case of hiring a programmer. >> > > ..... > >> What are the opinions of the people on this list? >> > > We have already discussed about bounties on the SqF board list, > and it would be interesting to know the opinion of people about this. > > I personally think having a platform for posting/managing Bounties would > be very nice to have... I can't say I have a clue of how good this works, > but it would be an experiment we should do. > > Marcus > > |
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Marcus Denker wrote:
>> What are the opinions of the people on this list? > > We have already discussed about bounties on the SqF board list, > and it would be interesting to know the opinion of people about this. > > I personally think having a platform for posting/managing Bounties would > be very nice to have... I can't say I have a clue of how good this works, > but it would be an experiment we should do. Hasn't this experiment already been tried? It looks like http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2653 contains a list of enhancements with bounties in the range of $100 to $1000. AFAIK, none of these have ever been claimed, and I'd also be curious to better understand why people "sign up" for these bounties (if they do sign up at all - I wonder how many of these bounties just go to people who happen to work on the problem anyway). Cheers, - Andreas |
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On 07.03.2006, at 11:00, Andreas Raab wrote: > Marcus Denker wrote: >>> What are the opinions of the people on this list? >> We have already discussed about bounties on the SqF board list, >> and it would be interesting to know the opinion of people about this. >> I personally think having a platform for posting/managing Bounties >> would >> be very nice to have... I can't say I have a clue of how good this >> works, >> but it would be an experiment we should do. > > Hasn't this experiment already been tried? It looks like > > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2653 > Hmm... I don't know if we should count a random, not very widely linked (and known) wiki page as an existing bounty plattform... > contains a list of enhancements with bounties in the range of $100 > to $1000. AFAIK, none of these have ever been claimed, and I'd also > be curious to better understand why people "sign up" for these > bounties (if they do sign up at all - I wonder how many of these > bounties just go to people who happen to work on the problem anyway). > Yes... it would definitely interesting to know what kind of experience other communitues have with bounty sytems before starting one. Maybe it does not work? I have no idea. The Google Summer of Code thing seems to be quite successfull, though. And the amount of money there was in the range of typical Bounty amounts ($3000, I think). For a Student, this is a lot of money... Marcus |
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Hi russel
I think that a bounties setup for Squeak would be really nice. Now we have to pay attention how to define the tasks. So we should try and learn :) Stef On 7 mars 06, at 01:28, Russell Allen wrote: > Hi, > > I've been a lurker and user of Squeak since the 1.x days, and have > built > up a large list of small and large changes and features I would > like to > see made available in Squeak. > > I simply do not have the time nor the necessary skills to implement my > wishlist. I suspect many people are the same. > > I have been thinking lately about Software Bounties. Increasingly, > large > open source projects are providing mechanisms for people to put up a > bounty for a particular feature - the first person to implement the > feature gets the bounty. The feature is then made available to > everyone > under the standard open source licence. > > Examples: > > * http://www.gnome.org/bounties/ > * http://www.ubuntu.com/developers/bounties > * http://bountycounty.org/ > > The bounties aren't equivalent to the commercial cost of writing the > software, so it is not a straight forward case of hiring a programmer. > > Bounties can range from the simple to the economically sophisticated > (http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2005/05/ > assurance_contr.html, > http://www.fundable.org/). > > I suspect that the success of a Squeak bounty would depend on the > available excess of programming 'capital' (ie, how many Squeakers have > free time and inclination to step up and develop). I don't know how > much > free resources the community has. > > Although I am sadly not a billionare like Mark Shuttleworth :) I am > prepared to put some money at least where my mouth is if I thought it > would work. > > What are the opinions of the people on this list? > > Best wishes, > > Russell > > [hidden email] > > > |
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I don't think that the squeak community is large enough for an
un-targetted bounty list to work straight off. There aren't enough people floating around with time on their hands but without projects of their own... I agree that the Google summer of code would be a much better model. Pick a feature, find a student or programmer who would like to implement it, collect the money. You would need a clear understanding of who is going to do the work, a clear timetable for the work being done and someone to monitor progress. To give a more concrete example: My personal wishlist for Squeak is mostly focussed around making the image a place where I can live, rather than a nice place to visit. One of my needs for living in Squeak is a decent HTML renderer; either pure smalltalk (hard) or something like KHTML wrapped as a primitive (easier). Assuming this is the goal, the first step would be to find someone suitably qualified and keen to implement it and to work out a suitable payment. We could then set up an account on a site like fundable.org where people pledge money on the understanding that they only have to pay if enough money is pledged and the goal is reached; or go the 'low-tech' solution and have someone keep track of promises by email and a website. Best wishes, Russell [hidden email] |
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Andreas Raab puso en su mail :
> Hasn't this experiment already been tried? It looks like > > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2653 > > contains a list of enhancements with bounties in the range of $100 to > $1000. AFAIK, none of these have ever been claimed, and I'd also be > curious to better understand why people "sign up" for these bounties (if > they do sign up at all - I wonder how many of these bounties just go to > people who happen to work on the problem anyway). > > Cheers, > - Andreas I copy from here: >>A Small Image That Loads Needed Classes On Demand To (For Example) Build A Seaside Image With ≪ 5 Mb Of Image Size Markus Fritsche Will Contribute Eur100 As small image builder , I said I was heavily discouraged of try of improve SqueakLight from doing that and was told is a crazy idea load classes from a class repository, as I propose several times. I have a MVC Komm + HttpView image below 3 mb, but 100 euros is not enough to travel to ESUG in Praga :=) Edgar ________________________________________________ ¡Llamá a todo el mundo con las mejores tarifas! Comprá tus tarjetas de llamadas en tres simples pasos en Yahoo! Telefonía: http://yahoo.tarjetastelefonicas.com |
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