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Edgar De Cleene

[RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

Folks:
We don't have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
project.
Any like this idea ?
Could made as Sunday Squeak ?

Edgar
@morplenauta

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

Each Project object has a ResourceManager object and that has a
resourceMap (a dictionary it seems). I do not know if this could be
used for backgrounds or is meant for other purposes. Needs to be
checked.

Further I remember that there is the option that each project has its
own background, searching
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1
gave for example

Desktop Background Example
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1796

How to set the pane background of a Workspace to a picture
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1322

And maybe this one
FAQ: Background Colors
Last updated at 9:51 pm UTC on 9 February 2003 (thus might need an update)
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/782

On 7/1/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Folks:
> We don't have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
> project.
> Any like this idea ?
> Could made as Sunday Squeak ?
>
>
> Edgar
> @morplenauta
>
>
>
>

Edgar De Cleene

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

I know this.

What I can't do (still) is having GradientFills for all projects, not just
the current one.

This is for have the green degradee background as in 3.10.2 ,k but for any
projec.

And how to have a different background for each.
I like wood and any shop selling woods potentially have a catalog of
pictures.
A easy solution could be have a collection of Form of pictures and select
from the list.
Maybe some wish made money with a huge instructive woods catalog with
descriptions or use for each, etc.
A "WoodSqueakApp"

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 01/07/2018, 13:38, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Each Project object has a ResourceManager object and that has a
resourceMap (a
> dictionary it seems). I do not know if this could be
used for backgrounds or
> is meant for other purposes. Needs to be
checked.

Further I remember that
> there is the option that each project has its
own background, searching

> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1
gave for example

Desktop Background Example

> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1796

How to set the pane background of a
> Workspace to a picture
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1322

And maybe this
> one
FAQ: Background Colors
Last updated at 9:51 pm UTC on 9 February
> 2003 (thus might need an update)
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/782

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I know this.
>
> What I can't do (still) is having GradientFills for all projects, not just
> the current one.

You mean a menu entry to set a global GradientFills for all projects in one go?
--Hannes

>
> This is for have the green degradee background as in 3.10.2 ,k but for any
> projec.
>
> And how to have a different background for each.
> I like wood and any shop selling woods potentially have a catalog of
> pictures.
> A easy solution could be have a collection of Form of pictures and select
> from the list.
> Maybe some wish made money with a huge instructive woods catalog with
> descriptions or use for each, etc.
> A "WoodSqueakApp"
>
> Edgar
> @morplenauta
>
>
>
> On 01/07/2018, 13:38, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Each Project object has a ResourceManager object and that has a
> resourceMap (a
>> dictionary it seems). I do not know if this could be
> used for backgrounds or
>> is meant for other purposes. Needs to be
> checked.
>
> Further I remember that
>> there is the option that each project has its
> own background, searching
>
>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1
> gave for example
>
> Desktop Background Example
>
>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1796
>
>
> How to set the pane background of a
>> Workspace to a picture
> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1322
>
> And maybe this
>> one
> FAQ: Background Colors
> Last updated at 9:51 pm UTC on 9 February
>> 2003 (thus might need an update)
> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/782
>
>
>
>

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I know this.
>>
>> What I can't do (still) is having GradientFills for all projects, not
>> just
>> the current one.
>
> You mean a menu entry to set a global GradientFills for all projects in one
> go?

En realidad, no te entiendo, a qué te refieres (interpretando tu
estilo de inglés)

¿Podría escribir sus requisitos en español?

yo quiero

1) ....
2) ....
3) .....

Luego traducimos al inglés y podemos verificar

a) si ya está allí pero la gente no sabe cómo usarlo
o
b) lo que se necesita para agregarlo.

Supongo que podemos implementarlo fácilmente para 5.2.

Saludos cordiales

- Hannes

On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I know this.
>>
>> What I can't do (still) is having GradientFills for all projects, not
>> just
>> the current one.
>
> You mean a menu entry to set a global GradientFills for all projects in one
> go?
> --Hannes
>
>>
>> This is for have the green degradee background as in 3.10.2 ,k but for
>> any
>> projec.
>>
>> And how to have a different background for each.
>> I like wood and any shop selling woods potentially have a catalog of
>> pictures.
>> A easy solution could be have a collection of Form of pictures and select
>> from the list.
>> Maybe some wish made money with a huge instructive woods catalog with
>> descriptions or use for each, etc.
>> A "WoodSqueakApp"
>>
>> Edgar
>> @morplenauta
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/07/2018, 13:38, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Each Project object has a ResourceManager object and that has a
>> resourceMap (a
>>> dictionary it seems). I do not know if this could be
>> used for backgrounds or
>>> is meant for other purposes. Needs to be
>> checked.
>>
>> Further I remember that
>>> there is the option that each project has its
>> own background, searching
>>
>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1
>> gave for example
>>
>> Desktop Background Example
>>
>>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1796
>>
>>
>> How to set the pane background of a
>>> Workspace to a picture
>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1322
>>
>> And maybe this
>>> one
>> FAQ: Background Colors
>> Last updated at 9:51 pm UTC on 9 February
>>> 2003 (thus might need an update)
>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/782
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

K K Subbu

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

In reply to this post by Edgar De Cleene

On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
> Folks:
> We don't have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
> project.
I am not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
facility already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:

* Open a new Morphic Project
* Press ESC to bring up world menu -> appearance
* Select "set gradient color ..."
* Verify background color changing to gradient.
* Revert to home project (Previous Project)
* Reenter project
* Verify that the gradient background is restored.
* Save project into a file.
* Quit and Restart image
* Load project back from file.
* Verify that the gradient background is restored.

HTH .. Subbu

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

Thanks, Subbu for the description of the use case.

It seems to me that there are a lot of steps involved.

Maybe there is a simpler way.

Yes, we need to identify the problem(s), the gap(s) so to say which
have to be filled in....

--Hannes

On 7/2/18, K K Subbu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>> Folks:
>> We don't have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
>> project.
> I am not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
> facility already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:
>
> * Open a new Morphic Project
> * Press ESC to bring up world menu -> appearance
> * Select "set gradient color ..."
> * Verify background color changing to gradient.
> * Revert to home project (Previous Project)
> * Reenter project
> * Verify that the gradient background is restored.
> * Save project into a file.
> * Quit and Restart image
> * Load project back from file.
> * Verify that the gradient background is restored.
>
> HTH .. Subbu
>
>

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

Hello Subbu

I did the test as you describe. But at point 3 I got stuck.

1. Open a new Morphic Project
2. Press ESC to bring up world menu -> appearance
3. Select "set gradient color ..."

I do not see this menu entry: "set gradient color ..."
(see screen shot)

4. Verify background color changing to gradient.
5. Revert to home project (Previous Project)
6. Reenter project
7. Verify that the gradient background is restored.
8. Save project into a file.
9. Quit and Restart image
10. Load project back from file.
11. Verify that the gradient background is restored.

Maybe this is an issue of project settings?

--Hannes

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Edgar De Cleene

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel

When I start 5.2 wish to have same look of 3.10.
Try to have the fill on each project and learn actually you could have Form
no any Gradient for all projects

On 02/07/2018, 06:39, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You mean a menu entry to set a global GradientFills for all projects in one
> go?
--Hannes

Edgar De Cleene

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

In reply to this post by K K Subbu

Yes, this works and I use it.
What I means is

Setup World background globally.
Each time you made a new project, the choosen background shows if was a
Form.
A solid color or a Picture converted to Form.
I (still) do not found how setup a GradientFill globally

On 02/07/2018, 07:00, "K K Subbu" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
> Folks:
> We don't
> have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
> project.
I am
> not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
facility
> already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:

* Open a new Morphic Project
* Press ESC
> to bring up world menu -> appearance
* Select "set gradient color ..."
*
> Verify background color changing to gradient.
* Revert to home project
> (Previous Project)
* Reenter project
* Verify that the gradient background is
> restored.
* Save project into a file.
* Quit and Restart image
* Load project
> back from file.
* Verify that the gradient background is restored.

HTH ..
> Subbu

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

Now I understand.
The question is where it the GradientFill information stored. The
project local one and the one used for new projects.

Attached is a diagram of an object of class Project with the
collaborating objects.

--Hannes

On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, this works and I use it.
> What I means is
>
> Setup World background globally.
> Each time you made a new project, the choosen background shows if was a
> Form.
> A solid color or a Picture converted to Form.
> I (still) do not found how setup a GradientFill globally
>
>
> On 02/07/2018, 07:00, "K K Subbu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>> Folks:
>> We don't
>> have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
>> project.
> I am
>> not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
> facility
>> already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:
>
> * Open a new Morphic Project
> * Press ESC
>> to bring up world menu -> appearance
> * Select "set gradient color ..."
> *
>> Verify background color changing to gradient.
> * Revert to home project
>> (Previous Project)
> * Reenter project
> * Verify that the gradient background is
>> restored.
> * Save project into a file.
> * Quit and Restart image
> * Load project
>> back from file.
> * Verify that the gradient background is restored.
>
> HTH ..
>> Subbu
>
>
>
>
>

Project_object_SRE_collaboration_diagram_w_appearance_menu_Screenshot_2018-07-02.png (189K) Download Attachment

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Now I understand.
> The question is where it the GradientFill information stored. The
> project local one and the one used for new projects.
>
> Attached is a diagram of an object of class Project with the
> collaborating objects.

The next diagram shows the result where the GradientFill information is stored.

So now it is about tracing how the PasteUpMorph used for the world
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1816
object is intialized.

Then it is about providing a different initialisation value....

> --Hannes
>
>
>
> On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Yes, this works and I use it.
>> What I means is
>>
>> Setup World background globally.
>> Each time you made a new project, the choosen background shows if was a
>> Form.
>> A solid color or a Picture converted to Form.
>> I (still) do not found how setup a GradientFill globally
>>
>>
>> On 02/07/2018, 07:00, "K K Subbu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> We don't
>>> have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
>>> project.
>> I am
>>> not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
>> facility
>>> already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:
>>
>> * Open a new Morphic Project
>> * Press ESC
>>> to bring up world menu -> appearance
>> * Select "set gradient color ..."
>> *
>>> Verify background color changing to gradient.
>> * Revert to home project
>>> (Previous Project)
>> * Reenter project
>> * Verify that the gradient background is
>>> restored.
>> * Save project into a file.
>> * Quit and Restart image
>> * Load project
>>> back from file.
>> * Verify that the gradient background is restored.
>>
>> HTH ..
>>> Subbu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

ProjectHasWorldPasteUpMorphWithExtension (53K) Download Attachment

Hannes Hirzel

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

The attachment again, this time with file type so that is shows in the mail.

On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 7/2/18, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Now I understand.
>> The question is where it the GradientFill information stored. The
>> project local one and the one used for new projects.
>>
>> Attached is a diagram of an object of class Project with the
>> collaborating objects.
>
>
> The next diagram shows the result where the GradientFill information is
> stored.
>
> So now it is about tracing how the PasteUpMorph used for the world
> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1816
> object is intialized.
>
> Then it is about providing a different initialisation value....
>
>
>
>> --Hannes
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/18, Edgar J. De Cleene <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Yes, this works and I use it.
>>> What I means is
>>>
>>> Setup World background globally.
>>> Each time you made a new project, the choosen background shows if was a
>>> Form.
>>> A solid color or a Picture converted to Form.
>>> I (still) do not found how setup a GradientFill globally
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2018, 07:00, "K K Subbu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday 01 July 2018 05:53 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>> Folks:
>>>> We don't
>>>> have Gradient fills or individual background fills for each
>>>> project.
>>> I am
>>>> not sure if I have understood your question properly, but the
>>> facility
>>>> already exists in Squeak 5.2alpha:
>>>
>>> * Open a new Morphic Project
>>> * Press ESC
>>>> to bring up world menu -> appearance
>>> * Select "set gradient color ..."
>>> *
>>>> Verify background color changing to gradient.
>>> * Revert to home project
>>>> (Previous Project)
>>> * Reenter project
>>> * Verify that the gradient background is
>>>> restored.
>>> * Save project into a file.
>>> * Quit and Restart image
>>> * Load project
>>>> back from file.
>>> * Verify that the gradient background is restored.
>>>
>>> HTH ..
>>>> Subbu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Edgar De Cleene

Re: [RFE] Enhancing Backgrounds

In reply to this post by Hannes Hirzel

Very nice and valuable.
I propose having BabySRE included.
Or at less parts which we know works well in 5.2

Edgar
@morplenauta

On 02/07/2018, 12:47, "H. Hirzel" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Now I understand.
> The question is where it the GradientFill information stored. The
> project local one and the one used for new projects.
>
> Attached is a diagram of an object of class Project with the
> collaborating objects.
>
> --Hannes
>