Raspberry Pi Zero (5USD) with Scratch (Re: Use of the Scratch program in the UK? (Re: [squeak-dev] The Inbox: Nebraska-tpr.42.mcz))

> On 11/24/15, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 11/24/15, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:30:44PM +0100, karl ramberg wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:17 PM, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > > On 23-11-2015, at 1:16 PM, Chris Muller <[hidden email]>
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Is this so that Scratch users won't have to see the pre-debugger?
>>>> >
>>>> > Nah,  the Scratch code handles it in ScratchSoundRecroderDialog or
>>>> > some-such. These couple of changes are simply suggestions for more
>>>> > politely
>>>> > handling a possible problem in a way that is a touch less painful
>>>> > than
>>>> > a
>>>> > primitiveFailed within a critical block. If people prefer the plain
>>>> > notifier for an unhandled Warning, fine.
>>>> >
>>>> > ChatNotes etc are not used by Scratch - though enabling group chat
>>>> > could
>>>> > be fun...
>>>> >
>>>> > >  If
>>>> > > a Scratch kid gets a debugger and clicks "Debug" isntead of
>>>> > > "Abanadon".  They might get confused or they might learn
>>>> > > something..?
>>>> >
>>>> > I suspect a teacher of a class of 30-40 8 year olds trying to keep
>>>> > their
>>>> > minds on the required lesson might not see it as at all amusing.
>>>> > Remember,
>>>> > Scratch usage is now part of the national curriculum in the UK.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Oh, that's really big.
>>>> Hope they enjoy it :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, it sounds like a pretty big deal, but not something that I would
>>> have remembered since I did not know about it in the first place. Tim,
>>> can you provide a link to "Scratch usage is now part of the national
>>> curriculum in the UK"?
>>
>> So far I found
>>
>> http://www.naace.co.uk/curriculum/primaryguide
>>
>> Page 14 shows a screen with scratch. This is  from an association of
>> UK ICT teachers.
>>
>> There are web pages from the UK government but I did not find the
>> reference
>> yet.
>
> And here an announcement for teachers to learn about Scratch in Jan 2016
>
> https://www.sciencelearningcentres.org.uk/cpd/ondemand/fc0b576e-61a4-46b8-a4de-943f1fa02124/delivering-the-coding-elements-of-the-national-curriculum-at-ks2/
>
>
> "Experience a number of different methods to develop both your skills
> in Scratch and the teaching techniques that you can use to make it
> work for you and your students."
>
> "This course takes you through the principles of the computing
> curriculum  coding programming, giving you ‘hand on’ opportunities to
> experience a number of different methods  hands on time to develop
> both your skills in Scratch and the teaching techniques that you can
> use to make it work for you and your students. In 2 days, we will take
> you from creating simple programs to the exciting coded world of
> creating your own computer games."
>
>
>
>> --Hannes
>>
>>
>>> And when they say "Scratch" does it mean the real one, or the "improved"
>>> version that was reimplemented in a soon-to-be-dead language by wannabe
>>> IT managers?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

>
>> On 26-11-2015, at 9:11 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFFQmdUc5Vg&feature=youtu.be&a
>>
>> at 4:17 shows  the Raspberry Pi Zero (a 5USD computer) running Scratch
>>
>
> This months ‘MagPi’ magazine in hardcopy version includes a free P0 stuck to the front cover. I’m reasonably sure it’s the first time a full linux computer has been given away with a magazine, but I could be wrong.
>
> See also https://vimeo.com/146893658 for the official release video, and indeed the foundation website blog at https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
>
> At 1GHz even a single-core bcm2835 runs Squeak/Cog/Spur quite nicely and Scratch can run Asteroids at 45+ fps, and PacMan (which originally managed <1fps on the original PiB with original Scratch image) trots along at ~12fps.
>
> Using the ‘Shootout’ benchmarks Eliot favours for large non-UI testing, the P0 will score around half of the Pi2  - but with the Cog/Spur vm it is about 5X the orginal PiB system when this all started in2012. 40+ Dorado for $5 seems a pretty good deal.
>
> Of course, the web is alight with complaints that it isn’t a quadcore multi-GHz Xeon with terabytes of ram and petabytes of ssd. Oh, and it costs too much, apparently.

> On 26 November 2015 at 19:32, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26-11-2015, at 9:11 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFFQmdUc5Vg&feature=youtu.be&a
>>>
>>> at 4:17 shows  the Raspberry Pi Zero (a 5USD computer) running Scratch
>>>
>>
>> This months ‘MagPi’ magazine in hardcopy version includes a free P0 stuck to the front cover. I’m reasonably sure it’s the first time a full linux computer has been given away with a magazine, but I could be wrong.
>>
>> See also https://vimeo.com/146893658 for the official release video, and indeed the foundation website blog at https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
>>
>> At 1GHz even a single-core bcm2835 runs Squeak/Cog/Spur quite nicely and Scratch can run Asteroids at 45+ fps, and PacMan (which originally managed <1fps on the original PiB with original Scratch image) trots along at ~12fps.
>>
>> Using the ‘Shootout’ benchmarks Eliot favours for large non-UI testing, the P0 will score around half of the Pi2  - but with the Cog/Spur vm it is about 5X the orginal PiB system when this all started in2012. 40+ Dorado for $5 seems a pretty good deal.
>>
>> Of course, the web is alight with complaints that it isn’t a quadcore multi-GHz Xeon with terabytes of ram and petabytes of ssd. Oh, and it costs too much, apparently.
>
> Well, there are lots of people who can complain now, because
> everywhere seems to be sold out. To the complainers: don't worry, just
> send me your Pi0. I don't mind.

> On 26 November 2015 at 20:11, Frank Shearar <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 26 November 2015 at 19:32, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26-11-2015, at 9:11 AM, H. Hirzel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFFQmdUc5Vg&feature=youtu.be&a
>>>>
>>>> at 4:17 shows  the Raspberry Pi Zero (a 5USD computer) running Scratch
>>>>
>>>
>>> This months ‘MagPi’ magazine in hardcopy version includes a free P0 stuck to the front cover. I’m reasonably sure it’s the first time a full linux computer has been given away with a magazine, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> See also https://vimeo.com/146893658 for the official release video, and indeed the foundation website blog at https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/
>>>
>>> At 1GHz even a single-core bcm2835 runs Squeak/Cog/Spur quite nicely and Scratch can run Asteroids at 45+ fps, and PacMan (which originally managed <1fps on the original PiB with original Scratch image) trots along at ~12fps.
>>>
>>> Using the ‘Shootout’ benchmarks Eliot favours for large non-UI testing, the P0 will score around half of the Pi2  - but with the Cog/Spur vm it is about 5X the orginal PiB system when this all started in2012. 40+ Dorado for $5 seems a pretty good deal.
>>>
>>> Of course, the web is alight with complaints that it isn’t a quadcore multi-GHz Xeon with terabytes of ram and petabytes of ssd. Oh, and it costs too much, apparently.
>>
>> Well, there are lots of people who can complain now, because
>> everywhere seems to be sold out. To the complainers: don't worry, just
>> send me your Pi0. I don't mind.
>
> For goodness' sake, that's _less than a pint_ for a computer.