Re: 3.10?

> Hi guys
>
> do you want that we try to get a good 3.10?
> we could build a group of people willing to make a clean 3.10
> image.
> Do you have some ideas of people that we could contact?
>
> Stef
>
> I already said what I wanted to build
>
> I think that Squeak 10/4 should not be compatible to free us but at
> the same time it should prepare the
> coming of new assets (sophie/tweak).
>
> Here are the main actions I would like to see happening:
>
>         - be able to load Tweak
>
>         - be able to load Sophie infrastructural elements (ressource
> location...)
>         => even substitute current Squeak ones with sophie ones (Rome renderer)
>
>         - curve/remove Etoy/projects (without having to reload them)
>
>         - remove nebraska and others/ remove packages early in the process
>
>         - new compile method format if available else klaus fix for source
> limits
>
>         - may be newcompiler if ready
>
>         - aggressive cleans in a lot of areas
>
>         - look at Pavel overrides problems
>         => ideally be able to use Pavel image as a basis for 10/4
>
>         - Use tool builder (looking at the tool plus) and change the current
> tools
>         (the ones that deserve migration)
>
>         - more tests
>
>         - may be using MC2 if ready
>
>         - better integration of AST and refactoring support
>
> So if you want to help there on a regular basis or on specific items
> please say it
>
> Stef
>
>

> 2) update RestOfSqueak package for it
> 3) create full image using KernelImage and RoS, this image has Morphic
> initialized directly form source codes so it doesn't contain as much
> mess official image (but has the same sources)
> 4) remove packages like speech etc.
> 5) try to remove most of eToys as safely as possible
> 6) try to remove everything what can be quite easily packaged
> including all test and SUnit
> 7) create RestOfSqueak package from this package again and create full
> image from it again
> HERE
> 8) continue with next cleanup and eToys removing
> 9) when this image will be clean, create final RoS, and create
> differential package that will not include code that is in current
> primitive packages for the KernelImage (network, MC...)
> 10) maybe create differential package that will load the rest of the
> code of the current image
>
> The mark HERE is the state where I'm now:
> http://www.comtalk.net/Squeak/uploads/98/basicMorphic001.zip
> This version has no eToys but it's far from clean system and still
> includes Flaps and many morphic extras. Because you load Morphic to
> GUI-less image, there are no obsoleteClasses, only Undeclared
> references in code.  I quess that I may finish state 8 during next
> week or so.
>
> This image will not include flaps, paint tool etc. I think that this
> tools should be in the basic system but I want to create minimal
> morphic system. This tools can be in packages.
>
> The most important thing for me is the new MC version that can be used
> for this special big packages.
>
> -- Pavel
>
>
> On 11/4/06, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi guys
>>
>> do you want that we try to get a good 3.10?
>> we could build a group of people willing to make a clean 3.10
>> image.
>> Do you have some ideas of people that we could contact?
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> I already said what I wanted to build
>>
>> I think that Squeak 10/4 should not be compatible to free us but at
>> the same time it should prepare the
>> coming of new assets (sophie/tweak).
>>
>> Here are the main actions I would like to see happening:
>>
>>         - be able to load Tweak
>>
>>         - be able to load Sophie infrastructural elements (ressource
>> location...)
>>         => even substitute current Squeak ones with sophie ones (Rome
>> renderer)
>>
>>         - curve/remove Etoy/projects (without having to reload them)
>>
>>         - remove nebraska and others/ remove packages early in the
>> process
>>
>>         - new compile method format if available else klaus fix for
>> source
>> limits
>>
>>         - may be newcompiler if ready
>>
>>         - aggressive cleans in a lot of areas
>>
>>         - look at Pavel overrides problems
>>         => ideally be able to use Pavel image as a basis for 10/4
>>
>>         - Use tool builder (looking at the tool plus) and change the
>> current
>> tools
>>         (the ones that deserve migration)
>>
>>         - more tests
>>
>>         - may be using MC2 if ready
>>
>>         - better integration of AST and refactoring support
>>
>> So if you want to help there on a regular basis or on specific items
>> please say it
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>
>

> my plan for removing eToys is:
> 1) take Squeak 3.9 7061 (RC versions have obsolete classes so they are
> problematic for me)
> 2) update RestOfSqueak package for it
> 3) create full image using KernelImage and RoS, this image has Morphic
> initialized directly form source codes so it doesn't contain as much
> mess official image (but has the same sources)
> 4) remove packages like speech etc.
> 5) try to remove most of eToys as safely as possible
> 6) try to remove everything what can be quite easily packaged
> including all test and SUnit
> 7) create RestOfSqueak package from this package again and create full
> image from it again
> HERE
> 8) continue with next cleanup and eToys removing
> 9) when this image will be clean, create final RoS, and create
> differential package that will not include code that is in current
> primitive packages for the KernelImage (network, MC...)
> 10) maybe create differential package that will load the rest of the
> code of the current image

> On 11/4/06, karl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
>> > Hi Stef,
>> >
>> > my plan for removing eToys is:
>> > 1) take Squeak 3.9 7061 (RC versions have obsolete classes so they are
>> > problematic for me)
>> Do you have any other than aObsoleteMorphicModel ?
>> Karl
>
> Now I have none :-)
>
> World setModel: MorphicModel new.
> Behavior flushObsoleteSubclasses.
> Smalltalk  cleanOutUndeclared.
>
> But the next thing looks strange:
>
> PasteUpMorph allInstances
>

> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
> > On 11/4/06, karl <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
> >> > Hi Stef,
> >> >
> >> > my plan for removing eToys is:
> >> > 1) take Squeak 3.9 7061 (RC versions have obsolete classes so they are
> >> > problematic for me)
> >> Do you have any other than aObsoleteMorphicModel ?
> >> Karl
> >
> > Now I have none :-)
> >
> > World setModel: MorphicModel new.
> > Behavior flushObsoleteSubclasses.
> > Smalltalk  cleanOutUndeclared.
> >
> > But the next thing looks strange:
> >
> > PasteUpMorph allInstances
> >
> What exactly ?
> Karl

>> I see you are very busy and glad you decide go to a minimal morphic
>> without
>> Speech, Etoys , etc as I beg.
>>
>> Could be Nebraska ripped too ?
>
> It was one of the first packages I tried to remove.
>
>> So a real MinimalSqueak3.10.image ( and new sources for this) was the
>> start
>> point of 2007 work ?
>
> we will see...
>
> -- Pavel
>
>

> On 11/4/06, karl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
>> > On 11/4/06, karl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
>> >> > Hi Stef,
>> >> >
>> >> > my plan for removing eToys is:
>> >> > 1) take Squeak 3.9 7061 (RC versions have obsolete classes so
>> they are
>> >> > problematic for me)
>> >> Do you have any other than aObsoleteMorphicModel ?
>> >> Karl
>> >
>> > Now I have none :-)
>> >
>> > World setModel: MorphicModel new.
>> > Behavior flushObsoleteSubclasses.
>> > Smalltalk  cleanOutUndeclared.
>> >
>> > But the next thing looks strange:
>> >
>> > PasteUpMorph allInstances
>> >
>> What exactly ?
>> Karl
>
> ehh, they are part of flaps... I normally see PasteUpMorphs only for
> worlds... :-) So I thought that it may be some forgotten mess... sorry

> Pavel Krivanek skrev:
> >> I see you are very busy and glad you decide go to a minimal morphic
> >> without
> >> Speech, Etoys , etc as I beg.
> >>
> >> Could be Nebraska ripped too ?
> >
> > It was one of the first packages I tried to remove.
> >
> >> So a real MinimalSqueak3.10.image ( and new sources for this) was the
> >> start
> >> point of 2007 work ?
> >
> > we will see...
> >
> > -- Pavel
> >
> >
> Are you using Monticello or change sets to keep track of your work ?
>
> Karl