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Gabriel La Torre-2
Thank you Herbert it worked this is the way wrote it:

Object subclass: #Tablero
    instanceVariableNames: 'celdas rango'
    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
    "Inicializa por defecto"
    celdas := Dictionary new.
    rango := 6

And this is what I put in each cell:

Object subclass: #Casillero
    instanceVariableNames: 'volteado posicion'
    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

But now it's working so, thank you very much.

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  1. [croquet-user] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK -
     Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
     language (Russian) (Bert Freudenberg)
  2. Matrix with Objetcs (Gabriel La Torre)
  3. Re: Matrix with Objetcs (Herbert K?nig)
  4.  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk, Croquet,
     Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
     (Nikolay Suslov)


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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:03:35 +0200
From: Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] [croquet-user] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Krestianstvo
       SDK - Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
       language (Russian)
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On 16.09.2009, at 16:13, Nikolay Suslov wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.
>
> Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded
> packages (some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and
> Krestianstvo itself).
> From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
> The SDK is updated through change set's update stream and source
> code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
> The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be
> downloaded here (one-click image for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).
>
> More information:
> http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html
>
> Official web site:
> http://www.krestianstvo.ru
> Discussion Group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo
>
> Thanks,
> Nikolay Suslov


Guess I need to brush up my Russian ... Очень хорошо! :)

Congratulations on the release.

- Bert -




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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:34:37 -0300
From: Gabriel La Torre <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
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Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a class called Celd
and I wanted to create a class called Matrix which will be a 2D-array of
Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

Could someone help me with the code?

I tried this:

Object subclass: #Matrix
   instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
   classVariableNames: ''
   poolDictionaries: ''
   category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
   "Inicializa por defecto"
   cells := Celd new.
   range := 6


But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Gabriel
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:23 +0100
From: Herbert K?nig <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions
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Hi Gabriel,


GLT> Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a

welcome to a brand new world!

GLT> class called Celd and I wanted to create a class called Matrix
GLT> which will be a 2D-array of Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

There is a class Matrix already. And in older Squeaks (3.6) there was
Array2D class.

GLT> Could someone help me with the code?

We need more details.

GLT> I tried this:

GLT> Object subclass: #Matrix
GLT> ��  instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
GLT> ��  classVariableNames: ''
GLT> ��  poolDictionaries: ''
GLT> ��  category: 'fiuba-explorador'

GLT> initialize
GLT> ��  "Inicializa por defecto"
GLT> ��  cells := Celd new.
GLT> ��  range := 6


GLT> But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Which code do you use? And what is the definition of Class Celd?

You need a Collection or one of it's subclasses to implement a matrix.


Cheers,

Herbert



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:13:56 +0400
From: Nikolay Suslov <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies]  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk,
       Croquet, Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
To: [hidden email], [hidden email],
       [hidden email], The general-purpose Squeak developers
       list    <[hidden email]>,
       [hidden email],   Seaside - developer list
       <[hidden email]>
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello!

Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.

Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded packages
(some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and Krestianstvo itself).
>From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
The SDK is updated through change set's update
stream<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo/updates>and source
code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be downloaded
here <http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip> (one-click image
for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).

More information:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Official web site:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Discussion Group:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

Thanks,
Nikolay Suslov

----for Russian spoken---

Здравствуйте!

Представляем вашему вниманию открытый проект Крестьянство SDK.
Наконец-то, стало возможным программирование в SmallTalk, Croquet, Seaside
на родном языке (Русском).
Мы еще только в начале пути, но тем неменее уже доступен для скачивания
базовый образ для основных платформ (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X).

Крестьянство SDK построен на основе OpenCroquet SDK с предустановленными
пакетами (некоторые из списка: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta и
Крестьянство).
Отныне она будет разрабатываться полностью на родном языке (русский).
Крестьянство обновляется путем потока изменений и исходный код может быть
легко (загружаться в/ выгружаться из) образа приложения.

Текущий вариант Крестьянство SDK можно загрузить
здесь<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip>(однокликовый
образ).

Дополнительная информация:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Официальный сайт:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Группа для обсуждений:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

С уважением,
Николай Суслов
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Gabriel La Torre
Thank you Herbert it worked this is the way wrote it:

Object subclass: #Tablero
    instanceVariableNames: 'celdas rango'

    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
    "Inicializa por defecto"
    celdas := Dictionary new.
    rango := 6

And this is what I put in each cell:

Object subclass: #Casillero
    instanceVariableNames: 'volteado posicion'

    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

But now it's working so, thank you very much.

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     Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
     language (Russian) (Bert Freudenberg)
  2. Matrix with Objetcs (Gabriel La Torre)
  3. Re: Matrix with Objetcs (Herbert K?nig)
  4.  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk, Croquet,
     Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
     (Nikolay Suslov)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:03:35 +0200
From: Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] [croquet-user] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Krestianstvo
       SDK - Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
       language (Russian)
To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
       <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email],
       [hidden email], [hidden email],
       Seaside - developer list <[hidden email]>
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes

On 16.09.2009, at 16:13, Nikolay Suslov wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.
>
> Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded
> packages (some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and
> Krestianstvo itself).
> From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
> The SDK is updated through change set's update stream and source
> code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
> The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be
> downloaded here (one-click image for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).
>
> More information:
> http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html
>
> Official web site:
> http://www.krestianstvo.ru
> Discussion Group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo
>
> Thanks,
> Nikolay Suslov


Guess I need to brush up my Russian ... Очень хорошо! :)

Congratulations on the release.

- Bert -




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:34:37 -0300
From: Gabriel La Torre <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
To: [hidden email]
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a class called Celd
and I wanted to create a class called Matrix which will be a 2D-array of
Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

Could someone help me with the code?

I tried this:

Object subclass: #Matrix
   instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
   classVariableNames: ''
   poolDictionaries: ''
   category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
   "Inicializa por defecto"
   cells := Celd new.
   range := 6


But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Gabriel
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:23 +0100
From: Herbert K?nig <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions
       about   Squeak." <[hidden email]>
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Gabriel,


GLT> Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a

welcome to a brand new world!

GLT> class called Celd and I wanted to create a class called Matrix
GLT> which will be a 2D-array of Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

There is a class Matrix already. And in older Squeaks (3.6) there was
Array2D class.

GLT> Could someone help me with the code?

We need more details.

GLT> I tried this:

GLT> Object subclass: #Matrix
GLT> ��  instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
GLT> ��  classVariableNames: ''
GLT> ��  poolDictionaries: ''
GLT> ��  category: 'fiuba-explorador'

GLT> initialize
GLT> ��  "Inicializa por defecto"
GLT> ��  cells := Celd new.
GLT> ��  range := 6


GLT> But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Which code do you use? And what is the definition of Class Celd?

You need a Collection or one of it's subclasses to implement a matrix.


Cheers,

Herbert



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:13:56 +0400
From: Nikolay Suslov <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies]  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk,
       Croquet, Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
To: [hidden email], [hidden email],
       [hidden email], The general-purpose Squeak developers
       list    <[hidden email]>,
       [hidden email],   Seaside - developer list
       <[hidden email]>
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello!

Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.

Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded packages
(some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and Krestianstvo itself).
>From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
The SDK is updated through change set's update
stream<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo/updates>and source
code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be downloaded
here <http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip> (one-click image
for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).

More information:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Official web site:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Discussion Group:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

Thanks,
Nikolay Suslov

----for Russian spoken---

Здравствуйте!

Представляем вашему вниманию открытый проект Крестьянство SDK.
Наконец-то, стало возможным программирование в SmallTalk, Croquet, Seaside
на родном языке (Русском).
Мы еще только в начале пути, но тем неменее уже доступен для скачивания
базовый образ для основных платформ (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X).

Крестьянство SDK построен на основе OpenCroquet SDK с предустановленными
пакетами (некоторые из списка: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta и
Крестьянство).
Отныне она будет разрабатываться полностью на родном языке (русский).
Крестьянство обновляется путем потока изменений и исходный код может быть
легко (загружаться в/ выгружаться из) образа приложения.

Текущий вариант Крестьянство SDK можно загрузить
здесь<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip>(однокликовый
образ).

Дополнительная информация:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Официальный сайт:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Группа для обсуждений:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

С уважением,
Николай Суслов
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2009/10/28 Gabriel La Torre <[hidden email]>
Thank you Herbert it worked this is the way wrote it:

Object subclass: #Tablero
    instanceVariableNames: 'celdas rango'

    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
    "Inicializa por defecto"
    celdas := Dictionary new.
    rango := 6

And this is what I put in each cell:

Object subclass: #Casillero
    instanceVariableNames: 'volteado posicion'

    classVariableNames: ''
    poolDictionaries: ''
    category: 'fiuba-explorador'

But now it's working so, thank you very much.

2009/10/28 <[hidden email]>

Send Beginners mailing list submissions to
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Today's Topics:

  1. [croquet-user] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK -
     Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
     language (Russian) (Bert Freudenberg)
  2. Matrix with Objetcs (Gabriel La Torre)
  3. Re: Matrix with Objetcs (Herbert K?nig)
  4.  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk, Croquet,
     Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
     (Nikolay Suslov)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:03:35 +0200
From: Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] [croquet-user] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Krestianstvo
       SDK - Smalltalk,  Croquet, Seaside... programming on native spoken
       language (Russian)
To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
       <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email], [hidden email],
       [hidden email], [hidden email],
       Seaside - developer list <[hidden email]>
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes

On 16.09.2009, at 16:13, Nikolay Suslov wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.
>
> Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded
> packages (some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and
> Krestianstvo itself).
> From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
> The SDK is updated through change set's update stream and source
> code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
> The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be
> downloaded here (one-click image for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).
>
> More information:
> http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html
>
> Official web site:
> http://www.krestianstvo.ru
> Discussion Group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo
>
> Thanks,
> Nikolay Suslov


Guess I need to brush up my Russian ... Очень хорошо! :)

Congratulations on the release.

- Bert -




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:34:37 -0300
From: Gabriel La Torre <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
To: [hidden email]
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a class called Celd
and I wanted to create a class called Matrix which will be a 2D-array of
Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

Could someone help me with the code?

I tried this:

Object subclass: #Matrix
   instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
   classVariableNames: ''
   poolDictionaries: ''
   category: 'fiuba-explorador'

initialize
   "Inicializa por defecto"
   cells := Celd new.
   range := 6


But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Gabriel
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:17:23 +0100
From: Herbert K?nig <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Newbies] Matrix with Objetcs
To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions
       about   Squeak." <[hidden email]>
Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Gabriel,


GLT> Hi! this is the first time I use Smalltalk. I created a

welcome to a brand new world!

GLT> class called Celd and I wanted to create a class called Matrix
GLT> which will be a 2D-array of Celd or a Matrix if you prefere.

There is a class Matrix already. And in older Squeaks (3.6) there was
Array2D class.

GLT> Could someone help me with the code?

We need more details.

GLT> I tried this:

GLT> Object subclass: #Matrix
GLT> ��  instanceVariableNames: 'cells range'
GLT> ��  classVariableNames: ''
GLT> ��  poolDictionaries: ''
GLT> ��  category: 'fiuba-explorador'

GLT> initialize
GLT> ��  "Inicializa por defecto"
GLT> ��  cells := Celd new.
GLT> ��  range := 6


GLT> But when I try to add a Cell... I can't thank you very much in advance.

Which code do you use? And what is the definition of Class Celd?

You need a Collection or one of it's subclasses to implement a matrix.


Cheers,

Herbert



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:13:56 +0400
From: Nikolay Suslov <[hidden email]>
Subject: [Newbies]  [croquet-user] [ANN] Krestianstvo SDK - Smalltalk,
       Croquet, Seaside... programming on  native spoken language (Russian)
To: [hidden email], [hidden email],
       [hidden email], The general-purpose Squeak developers
       list    <[hidden email]>,
       [hidden email],   Seaside - developer list
       <[hidden email]>
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello!

Introducing Krestianstvo SDK.

Krestianstvo SDK is built on top of OpenCroquet SDK with preloaded packages
(some of the list: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta, and Krestianstvo itself).
>From now it will be entirely native spoken language based (Russian).
The SDK is updated through change set's update
stream<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo/updates>and source
code could be easily filed in/filed out containing unicode chars.
The current developing version of the Krestianstvo SDK could be downloaded
here <http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip> (one-click image
for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux).

More information:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Official web site:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Discussion Group:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

Thanks,
Nikolay Suslov

----for Russian spoken---

Здравствуйте!

Представляем вашему вниманию открытый проект Крестьянство SDK.
Наконец-то, стало возможным программирование в SmallTalk, Croquet, Seaside
на родном языке (Русском).
Мы еще только в начале пути, но тем неменее уже доступен для скачивания
базовый образ для основных платформ (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X).

Крестьянство SDK построен на основе OpenCroquet SDK с предустановленными
пакетами (некоторые из списка: Sophie XUL-CSS, Seaside, OMeta и
Крестьянство).
Отныне она будет разрабатываться полностью на родном языке (русский).
Крестьянство обновляется путем потока изменений и исходный код может быть
легко (загружаться в/ выгружаться из) образа приложения.

Текущий вариант Крестьянство SDK можно загрузить
здесь<http://www.krestianstvo.ru/sdk/Krestianstvo1.0a.zip>(однокликовый
образ).

Дополнительная информация:
http://nsuslovi.blogspot.com/2009/09/krestianstvo-sdk-smalltalk-croquet.html

Официальный сайт:
http://www.krestianstvo.ru
Группа для обсуждений:
http://groups.google.com/group/krestianstvo

С уважением,
Николай Суслов
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