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Klaus D. Witzel

Re: Bugging out of Squeak

IC.

But then he is correct, the text *must* include three dots "Quit ..."
because there is another step in that particular dialog.

Good find.

Release-team, please add the three dots to the world menu, thank you.

/Klaus

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:21:19 +0100, Ralph Johnson wrote:

>> 4 - I cannot reproduce the message you cite 'Quit without saving the
>> image', can you tell us precisely where and what you click and what kind
>> of widget is then talking to you.
>
> In the final 3.9 image, at the bottom of the world menu, there is a
> "Save and quit" option followed by a "Quit" option. The "quit" option
> does what he says, it asks if you want to save before you quit, quit
> without saving, or cancel. When you see "save and quit" followed by
> "quit", it is confusing to have "quit" ask you if you want to save.
>
> Squeak has been this way for a long time.
>
> -Ralph

Ken Causey-3

Re: Bugging out of Squeak

On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 17:56 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

> IC.
>
> But then he is correct, the text *must* include three dots "Quit ..."
> because there is another step in that particular dialog.
>
> Good find.
>
> Release-team, please add the three dots to the world menu, thank you.
>
> /Klaus

Klaus,

I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but this is a very handy
example. This is a very small thing but it is just the sort of thing
which can (with multiple instances) lead to release team burn out.
Also, do you really expect anyone to keep up with this?

Please:

1. Take the time to create a patch.

2. Add a report to the bug system: http://bugs.impara.de/

Thank you,

Ken

P.S. In my opinion having the issue on Mantis provides the additional
benefit that if there is some disagreement about the best solution to
the issue it provides a forum in which to gather the discussion.

> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:21:19 +0100, Ralph Johnson wrote:
>
> >> 4 - I cannot reproduce the message you cite 'Quit without saving the
> >> image', can you tell us precisely where and what you click and what kind
> >> of widget is then talking to you.
> >
> > In the final 3.9 image, at the bottom of the world menu, there is a
> > "Save and quit" option followed by a "Quit" option. The "quit" option
> > does what he says, it asks if you want to save before you quit, quit
> > without saving, or cancel. When you see "save and quit" followed by
> > "quit", it is confusing to have "quit" ask you if you want to save.
> >
> > Squeak has been this way for a long time.
> >
> > -Ralph

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Klaus D. Witzel

Re: Bugging out of Squeak

Hi Ken,

NP, will forward to the beginners list (hrm, how goes that saying:
everybody can do this, isn't it so :)

> Also, do you really expect anyone to keep up with this?

Well, if I only could have just a simple reaction on every direct question
to you, that would be great ;-)

-----------

You should know by now that I put all the bugs which I *myself* find
[reproducable] onto mantis.

But I have no intention to do that for other people's findings.

/Klaus

Beginners, please read Ken's response below on how to add a bug report,
then add a bug report, thank you.

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:15:57 +0100, Ken you wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 17:56 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>> IC.
>>
>> But then he is correct, the text *must* include three dots "Quit ..."
>> because there is another step in that particular dialog.
>>
>> Good find.
>>
>> Release-team, please add the three dots to the world menu, thank you.
>>
>> /Klaus
>
> Klaus,
>
> I don't mean to pick on you specifically, but this is a very handy
> example. This is a very small thing but it is just the sort of thing
> which can (with multiple instances) lead to release team burn out.
> Also, do you really expect anyone to keep up with this?
>
> Please:
>
> 1. Take the time to create a patch.
>
> 2. Add a report to the bug system: http://bugs.impara.de/
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ken
>
> P.S. In my opinion having the issue on Mantis provides the additional
> benefit that if there is some disagreement about the best solution to
> the issue it provides a forum in which to gather the discussion.
>
>> On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:21:19 +0100, Ralph Johnson wrote:
>>
>> >> 4 - I cannot reproduce the message you cite 'Quit without saving the
>> >> image', can you tell us precisely where and what you click and what
>> kind
>> >> of widget is then talking to you.
>> >
>> > In the final 3.9 image, at the bottom of the world menu, there is a
>> > "Save and quit" option followed by a "Quit" option. The "quit" option
>> > does what he says, it asks if you want to save before you quit, quit
>> > without saving, or cancel. When you see "save and quit" followed by
>> > "quit", it is confusing to have "quit" ask you if you want to save.
>> >
>> > Squeak has been this way for a long time.
>> >
>> > -Ralph
>

Ken Causey-3

Reporting bugs on Mantis (was Bugging out of Squeak)

On Wed, 2006-11-15 at 18:53 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> Hi Ken,

Hi! :)

> NP, will forward to the beginners list (hrm, how goes that saying:
> everybody can do this, isn't it so :)
>
> > Also, do you really expect anyone to keep up with this?
>
> Well, if I only could have just a simple reaction on every direct question
> to you, that would be great ;-)

Feel free to point out when any future responses from me are less clear.

> -----------
>
> You should know by now that I put all the bugs which I *myself* find
> [reproducable] onto mantis.

Absolutely, and I applaud your contributions, you are certainly one of
the more active mantis report/fix contributors lately.

> But I have no intention to do that for other people's findings.

And that's fine. In fact I guess the main point of my previous reply
was that all of us should avoid presuming someone else has the time to
do something, and that goes for you as well.

> /Klaus
>
> Beginners, please read Ken's response below on how to add a bug report,
> then add a bug report, thank you.

Repeating URL:

http://bugs.impara.de/

There is an intro document on reporting issues under the project
documentation. Right now even though it is an HTML file it offers to
save it rather than simply show it like it has in the past. I've asked
for some assistance on this and maybe everyone can manage for the time
being.

Ken

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