Re: Contributors page (was little pictures of you)

> Hi,
>
> I've started a Contributors page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>
> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>
> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) and links, short text you want to put here.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Laurent Laffont
>
> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi guys
>
> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun to talk daily with people
> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo fun community.
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Stef
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> [hidden email]
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>
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>
>
> On Aug 12, 2010, at 8:48 PM, laurent laffont wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've started a Contributors page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
> >
> > Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
> >
> > If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least) and links, short text you want to put here.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Laurent Laffont
> >
> > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
> > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hi guys
> >
> > the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
> > but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun to talk daily with people
> > when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo fun community.
> > Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Stef
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pharo-project mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pharo-project mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

> Hi,
> I've started a Contributors
> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least)
> and links, short text you want to put here.
> Cheers,
> Laurent Laffont
>
> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun
>> to talk daily with people
>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo
>> fun community.
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Stef
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>
>>
> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should
> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it
> shows Pharo is used in real world.
>
> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people
> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.

>
> Laurent
>
>
>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>> Regards
>>
>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've started a Contributors
>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at
>> least)
>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>
>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys
>>>>
>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that
>> fun
>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo
>>>> fun community.
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Serge Stinckwich
>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>
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>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>
>>>
>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should
>> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it
>> shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>
>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people
>> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.
>
> Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we discuss and work together.
>
> Adrian
>
>>
>> Laurent
>>
>>
>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I've started a Contributors
>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at
>>> least)
>>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>>
>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>
>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that
>>> fun
>>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo
>>>>> fun community.
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>
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>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>
>>>
>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should
>> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it
>> shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>
>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people
>> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.
>
> Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the >contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users >of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they >do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we
> discuss and work together.

> 2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should
>>> change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it
>>> shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>>
>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people
>>> don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.
>>
>> Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the >contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users >of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they >do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we
>> discuss and work together.
>
>
> Hi, off-thread, but were is possible to read what are doing these
> companies (for example Bombardier) with Pharo?
>
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> HI Adrian:
>
> Thanks by the response.
>
> 2010/8/13 Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
>> Maybe you find something on the web pages of those companies. Not everybody is allowed to or willing to share details publicly.
>
>
> Yes, I know, but being that they agreed to publish their names
> here.....I thinked that could comment some generalities of the Pharo
> use.
>
>
>> From bombardier.com, we'll get more information later this year...
>>
>
> Excellent.
>
> Cheers.
> Germán.
>
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>
> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>
>>
>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>
>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.
>>
> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one at all.

>
> Norbert
>
>> Laurent
>>
>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>> Regards
>>
>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've started a Contributors
>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at least)
>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>
>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys
>>>>
>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that fun
>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a pharo
>>>> fun community.
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Stef
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Serge Stinckwich
>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pharo-project mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original
> intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me)
>
> I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it
> first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website
> that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other
> than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think
> that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'.
>
> So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want
> it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something
> informal for us to use?
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I
>> should change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important
>> because it shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>>>
>>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems
>> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring
>> confidence.
>>>>
>>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one
>> at all.
>>
>> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in
>> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions.
>>
>> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the
>> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the
>> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't
>> participate, there's no point in adding him.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Norbert
>>>
>>>> Laurent
>>>>
>>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont <[hidden email]>:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I've started a Contributors
>>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at
>> least)
>>>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that
>> fun
>>>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a
>> pharo
>>>>>> fun community.
>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going to use Pharo – these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely.
>
> So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also for us to build the community.
>
> Adrian
>
> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:35 , Carla F. Griggio wrote:
>
>> Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original
>> intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me)
>>
>> I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it
>> first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website
>> that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other
>> than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think
>> that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'.
>>
>> So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want
>> it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something
>> informal for us to use?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich<
>>> [hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I
>>> should change it to "Contributors&  Users". Users are really important
>>> because it shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems
>>> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring
>>> confidence.
>>>>>
>>>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one
>>> at all.
>>>
>>> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in
>>> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions.
>>>
>>> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the
>>> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the
>>> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't
>>> participate, there's no point in adding him.
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Norbert
>>>>
>>>>> Laurent
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>>>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I've started a Contributors
>>>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at
>>> least)
>>>>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>>>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that
>>> fun
>>>>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a
>>> pharo
>>>>>>> fun community.
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Serge Stinckwich
>>>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
>>>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
>>>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pharo-project mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> On Aug 13, 2010, at 07:58 , laurent laffont wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich <
> > [hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
> >>
> >>
> > The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I should
> > change it to "Contributors & Users". Users are really important because it
> > shows Pharo is used in real world.
> >
> > One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems people
> > don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring confidence.
>
> Yes, but for the users we have the success stories page. I would separate the two. I suggest to move the contributors page with pictures from About to Community and only list contributors but not users. About users of Pharo I want to know the company (btw, there's bombardier.com in the list now!) and if possible what they do, but I don't need to know how these people look like. Seeing the face of somebody is interesting if we discuss and work together.

> From: Francois Stephany <[hidden email]>
> Date: August 13, 2010 3:58:55 PM GMT+02:00
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Contributors page (was little pictures of you)
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> I've started to work on a project to list usable Pharo/Squeak packages.
> Kind of http://ruby-toolbox.com/ for open source smalltalks.
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> The basic idea is to have a list of packages with a description and how to load them (basically via Metacello configuration). People could comment packages to let other know if it works for them in their favorite dialect. If a convention toward package management with Metacello is reached we could imagine that data is automatically fetched from Metacello description. But lets start simple first...
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> Crawling Squeaksource to find libraries is a not a delicious experience (at least for me).
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> It's probably premature to talk about this project here now (especially given my time constraints these days) but this thread motivates me to give it a serious try.
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> Cheers,
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> Francois
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> On 13/08/10 15:27, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>> Yea, that's a good question. I think it's primarily for us. Who else would be interested? Someone taking a technology decision? "Sure, I'm going to use Pharo – these guys look so cute!" ;). Not likely.
>>
>> So, the Google wiki could be a better place. Unless we want to argue that the website is not only for new people learning about Pharo but also for us to build the community.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:35 , Carla F. Griggio wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm maybe this is turning into something different than the original
>>> intention? (or at least what it seemed the original intention to me)
>>>
>>> I think that 'having a page' is making this a little more formal than it
>>> first looked like :P Because it's not the same if its a page in the website
>>> that can be used as a reference to people visiting the website (people other
>>> than us), than something 'internal' only used to know our faces. I think
>>> that's why you ended up thinking about 'who's in and who's out'.
>>>
>>> So why do you want this on the pharo-project.org website? Do you really want
>>> it to be some reference to the public of that website, or just something
>>> informal for us to use?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adrian Lienhard<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2010, at 14:01 , Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13.08.2010, at 07:58, laurent laffont wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Serge Stinckwich<
>>>> [hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>>> Nice ! But you know i'm not a big contributor to Pharo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The page is "Contributors", not "Big contributors" :) I wonder if I
>>>> should change it to "Contributors&  Users". Users are really important
>>>> because it shows Pharo is used in real world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the first question when I show Pharo is: who use it ? It seems
>>>> people don't care if it's good or not. Knowing that there's users bring
>>>> confidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So, who is supposed on this page? :) I'm also no big contributor if one
>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>> I would define it like this: everyone who is part of the Pharo community in
>>>> that he contributes or is engaged in discussions.
>>>>
>>>> So if there is somebody who hasn't contributed but who we know from the
>>>> mailing list or conferences, its also nice to have him on the page. On the
>>>> other hand, if it is somebody who we don't know because he doesn't
>>>> participate, there's no point in adding him.
>>>>
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Norbert
>>>>>
>>>>>> Laurent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe for people who have a Gravatar account, you can use their
>>>>>> pictures, so people have control on their own pictures.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/8/13 laurent laffont<[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I've started a Contributors
>>>>>>> page http://pharo-project.org/about/contributors.
>>>>>>> Tell me if you like it or not before going further.
>>>>>>> If you want to be on this page, just send me a photo (120px wide at
>>>> least)
>>>>>>> and links, short text you want to put here.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Laurent Laffont
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
>>>>>>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the pharo web site does not support that yet :)
>>>>>>>> but I would love to have some pictures of you because this is not that
>>>> fun
>>>>>>>> to talk daily with people
>>>>>>>> when we do not even know their faces so we could start to build a
>>>> pharo
>>>>>>>> fun community.
>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stef
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