Re: Croquet SDK 1.0 Released (very excited)

Wrote all my aspired to distance research collaborators.

Wrote video news contact :

This might or might not be of interest (scholarly and perhaps news is
interested in
commercial connections, but it is a first break in what the web means---at
least two
people on a page for this new web to make sense---playing well together).

http://croquetconsortium.org/index.php/News#.
5B03.2F27.2F07.5D_Croquet_SDK_1.0_Released

To see what would happen, I installed the 30 day demo version of Windows
XP on the very same machine that has been giving me so much trouble with
Linux. The result was that within an hour and a half, I was in Croquet
under full hardware acceleration. My machine has enough horsepower to go
to the demo world, open every portal, spin the triangle, then backpedal
until everything was in view and STILL get a usable framerate.
MWAHAHAHAH! =P

If Linux can't get itself together in the next 30 days, I might just
sell $150 worth of my soul to Microsoft... =|

The only issue I had was that I couldn't bring up my second video card
at all, it would crash the machine... no big deal, it's 10 years old
already.

The bottom line is that I feel that I need to be a part of the 21st
century internet and this is a vital part. =|


--
Opera: Sing it loud! :o(  )>-<

reporting on a seperate xp experiment, it would seem that sp2 is
rather advisable... I am at a mates house where he has two almost
identical laptops (one has a bit more ram), both running xp home
edition but one is on sp1 and the other sp2. When trying to get two
simple master worlds to talk to each other, the sp1 box can see the
xp2 box in the dropdown menu, but when you then try to connect it
crashes out with

UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
SimpleDemoMaster(CroquetParticipantWithMenu)>>mouseEnter:
SimpleDemoMaster(Morph)>>handleMouseEnter:

and I canot seem to get much further than this cos squeak hangs at
this point completely so I have to quit without saving.

On the sp2 box everything seems cool other than the fact that I cannot
see the sp1 box at all, which seems a little bit odd.

any ideas as to what might be going on here?

On 3/28/07, Alan Grimes <[hidden email]> wrote:

hi I need to get taken off this list,how do i do that ,ty.

I'm having (probably) the same problem with Linux (Suse 10.1). When using  
the debugger
I saw that my problem has to do with OpenAL. Upon every mouseevent it gets  
an
openal object from the harness which is nil and thus the message sending  
won't work.
Maybe your problem is different, would be interesting to know whether it's  
the same or
similar - I thought right now this is just a Linux problem and I didn't  
get OpenAL installed
properly.

Sorry for the imprecise error description, don't have the code here, where  
I'm writing this mail from.


regards

Michael

>
> On the sp2 box everything seems cool other than the fact that I cannot
> see the sp1 box at all, which seems a little bit odd.
>
> any ideas as to what might be going on here?
>
> On 3/28/07, Alan Grimes <[hidden email]> wrote:

I read the words :
... quit without saving ...

I always do this because I don't know how to do work to save
and. since I don't know what I've done as work,
I quit without saving so I have a reproducible expeirment that is "them".

As a general rule, quitting without saving is bad,
but, when what you save might be another incarnation of an operating system
that gets you on a "different page" than everyone else,
I'm just plain scared to quit with saving.

I could be foolish or maybe I didn't need that coffee
and I'm right be afraid to save?

you can save to a different image file so that you can retain the
original image for reference or testing or whatever. This is done from
the menu that appears when you click on the squeak background.

On 3/28/07, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

OpenAL could be failing due to the presence of some OTHER software,  
such as a game.

     I inherited a *Windows* box on which a number of high-end games  
were installed. No amount of removing and reinstalling OpenAL or the  
OpenAL SDK would get OpenAL to initialize properly.  So I removed all  
the games, and then reinstalled the small OpenAL runtime. Works fine  
now.

I'm sorry that I didn't take the time to identify which game caused  
the problem.

It would be nice if the OpenAL code could check once at startup and  
then efficiently fall through to non-spatial sound. This could be  
done by the community. So far, limited development resources have  
been focused more on providing capabilities on qualified hardware.

On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Michael Berg wrote:

> On the sp2 box everything seems cool other than the fact that I cannot
> see the sp1 box at all, which seems a little bit odd.
>
> any ideas as to what might be going on here?

        I'm no expert on Windows, but one thing I do know is that
in SP2, the Windows firewall is on by default; in SP1 and earlier,
it's off by default and you have to turn it on explicitly.

        When it's on, you probably won't be able to see Croquet
on a foreign machine until you punch a hole through the firewall.
For early experimenting you should just turn the firewall off.
Don't put such a barenekkid machine directly on the Internet,
though, or you'll be p0wned.  Only run these experiments behind
an external firewall.

Mike O'Brien

deadgenome -.,.-*`*-.,.-*`*- encoded nonetheless :

"...  you can save to a different image file ..."

So the genome of an open operating system dies if only cloned.
Sounds like true art!

So wonderfully painfully simple.
Then I can always go back "to the same page" as everybody else,
as in "being on the same page".

I'm wondering whether there is "a comparitor". I don't think I'm really
ready for an open operating system development on a VM, but
suppose I made a few worlds, say, would there be "breadcrumbs"
to show where I've been; would there be my signature on my digital objects?

I bet that would be interesting.

High entropy required by older systems seems
to suggest such author-ization.