Re: Finals, Musique Concrete

> From: Casey Ransberger <[hidden email]>
> Date: March 12, 2009 7:04:17 AM PDT
> To: Stephen Travis Pope <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: Siren, VisualWorks, Squeak
>
> Sorry it's taken so long for me to get back to you! I have inherited  
> a tangled mess of legacy code at work, and I've been busy doing  
> deprecation.
>
> I do not have the 3.0 release. I'm in the habit of using the latest  
> bits, even when they aren't stable or don't run on my platform of  
> choice:)
>
> So I've been making music with computers for several years, but most  
> of the software out there is geared more toward recording than  
> composition.
>
> Things I want out of life:
> - One musical thing as a function of another. It doesn't seem like  
> much, but right now it's the holy grail to me.
> - Rapidly make changes and hear them, even if what I'm hearing isn't  
> exactly the finished product.
> - Output of finished musical information to MIDI for integration  
> with other products.
> - Legible, concrete, and above all *literate* musical notation.  
> Smoke is really exciting to me.
> - Stretch goal: Render to a format that can be converted for  
> LilyPond to print as sheet music.
>
> There's a million other things I'd like to try, (stochastic clouds!)  
> but those are the key points. I have the problem of coming back six  
> months later to notes on a staff with little or no recollection of  
> where I was going with a piece, and having to do a lot of harmonic  
> analysis/etc over again to get myself back on track. I want code  
> comments in my music, basically.
>
> A fileout of your latest bits would be lovely. As far as the glue  
> code is concerned, are we talking one chunk to each external  
> library? I am not at all familiar with DLLCC.
>
> - C
>
> On Monday, March 02, 2009, at 12:19PM, "Stephen Travis Pope" <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>>
>> Hello there Casey!
>>
>> Thanks for your note -- Siren is very much still alive in  
>> VisualWorks,
>> though I'm a bit slow at keeping the web site updated. I'd love to
>> collaborate on a back-port to Squeak!
>>
>> Most of the code that's new is apps that use external C/C++
>> frameworks, which I connect to using the VisualWorks DLLCC interface,
>> and which could be ported to use the Squeak primitives API.
>>
>> The graphics code is all based on a simple display-list framework  
>> that
>> hasn't changed since the old version that ran in Squeak 3.0.
>>
>> Do you have the old (2001) Squeak 3.0 package of Siren?
>>
>> I can easily mail you a current source code file, the bulk of which
>> should file-in to Squeak without issue. (For VisualWorks we use a
>> parcel/package format that's not portable.)
>>
>> Do you have a specific application or application domain in mind?
>>
>> stp
>>
>> --
>>   Stephen Travis Pope  -  Santa Barbara, California, USA
>>   http://HeavenEverywhere.com  -  http://FASTLabInc.com
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2009, at 8:48 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> My name is Casey. I had been on an Objective-C kick until a coworker
>>> put me onto Smalltalk. Now I don't think too much about C:) Anyhow,
>>> I have need (as a part of one of those company continuous
>>> improvement programs) of an open-source project to contribute to.
>>> I'm fascinated by Siren and thought I might try my hand at porting
>>> it back to Squeak, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't duplicating a
>>> lot of work that had already been done. Googling on it, I mostly
>>> find the Siren homepage and a couple of threads on Nabble. Are you
>>> aware of any further work in this area? In any event, thanks for
>>> giving us Siren, it's radical.