Re: Magritte in Pharo OneClick 1.1.1 and 1.2.1 one-click

The expressions you used look ok to me.

Let's forward this to Dale and the Metacello group; they might know
what is going on.

Lukas

On 29 June 2011 10:51, Miguel Sanchez <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> But before this I downloaded  the image from
> http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0.5-OneClick.zip
> and this did *not* have the Magritte packages installed.

As the download page lists various images. The one-click image does
not contain Magritte anymore, because it was decided that the Seaside
image should only contain Seaside. However, there is another download
link just below, that lists Magritte as one of the ingredients of the
image.

> I was under the impression that Magriite was quite fundamental to the
> Seaside architecture but it appears from the dependancy list of the Seaside
> package that Magritte is not a prerequisite (probably an error in my
> understanding)

No, Seaside does not depend on Magritte, neither does Magritte depend
on Seaside. The package Magritte-Seaside just integrates Magritte with
Seaside, and is likely the most common use of Magritte.

> What is a little more puzzling (worrying because I was planning to use
> Magritte in a current project) is that when I do load the latest Seaside and
> Magritte packages in a current Pharo release (1.1.1 and 1.2.1) they seem to
> be quite broken. Is this the Smalltalk version of DLL hell or am I suffering
> from terminal PEBKAC failure?

I don't know why the scripts you used don't work, Dale might know more?

You can use the latest build from my server, this is all the latest
code loaded into Pharo 1.2:

   http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Magritte%202/ (Seaside + Magritte)
   http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pier%202/ (Seaside + Magritte + Pier)

Lukas

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I guess I'm coming late to the party, but it seems that Miguel has it working now ... it is a matter of loading the right things ...

Magritte does not depend upon Seaside, so loading Magritte doesn't load Seaside (and the Magritte-Seaside package is loaded by default).

Seaside does not depend upon Magritte, so loading Seaside doesn't load Magritte.

Even though you are loading Magritte into an image with Seaside it doesn't necessarily imply that you want Magritte-Seaside to be loaded unless you are explicit...

I think the ultimate solution to this problem is better tools support around Metacello configurations ... I have started playing with including HelpSystem documentation with a configuration and I think is the direction that we need to head ...

Dale

----- Original Message -----
| From: "Miguel Sanchez" <[hidden email]>
| To: "Pier and Related Tools Magritte ..." <[hidden email]>
| Cc: [hidden email], "Dale Henrichs" <[hidden email]>, "nick ager" <[hidden email]>
| Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:17:09 AM
| Subject: Re: Magritte in Pharo OneClick 1.1.1 and 1.2.1 one-click
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| On 29 June 2011 17:34, Lukas Renggli < [hidden email] > wrote:
|
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| > But before this I downloaded the image from
| > http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0.5-OneClick.zip
| > and this did *not* have the Magritte packages installed.
|
| As the download page lists various images. The one-click image does
| not contain Magritte anymore, because it was decided that the Seaside
| image should only contain Seaside. However, there is another download
| link just below, that lists Magritte as one of the ingredients of the
| image.
|
|
|
| Thanks. Saw that. I downloaded and saw that all was as per my
| understanding. Despite that I'd prefer to load into my environment
| because it forces me to understand the dependencies.
|
|
|
| > I was under the impression that Magriite was quite fundamental to
| > the
| > Seaside architecture but it appears from the dependancy list of the
| > Seaside
| > package that Magritte is not a prerequisite (probably an error in
| > my
| > understanding)
|
| No, Seaside does not depend on Magritte, neither does Magritte depend
| on Seaside. The package Magritte-Seaside just integrates Magritte
| with
| Seaside, and is likely the most common use of Magritte.
|
|
|
| OK I understand now. And also a likely reason for the load failure.
| When loading the Magritte package the script didn't get
| Magritte-Seaside. Running Nick's script (below) got it and now it's
| functional on the Pharo 1.2.1 image. (Strangely not on the 1.1.1
| image.)
|
| "Nicks fragment"
|
|
| Gofer new
| renggli: 'magritte2';
| package: 'ConfigurationOfMagritte2';
| load.
|
|
| (ConfigurationOfMagritte2 project latestVersion) load:
| #('Magritte-Seaside' 'Magritte-Tests-Model').
|
|
|
|
|
| > What is a little more puzzling (worrying because I was planning to
| > use
| > Magritte in a current project) is that when I do load the latest
| > Seaside and
| > Magritte packages in a current Pharo release (1.1.1 and 1.2.1) they
| > seem to
| > be quite broken. Is this the Smalltalk version of DLL hell or am I
| > suffering
| > from terminal PEBKAC failure?
|
| I don't know why the scripts you used don't work, Dale might know
| more?
|
| Running Nick's script sorted the problem on 1.2.1 but not on 1.1.1.
| That's good enough for me as I've added to my (meager) understanding
| and reinorces your explanation. If anyone considers this worth
| looking into I can provide more details. I might say that I
| ,possibly reasonably, expected Magritte-Seaside to be loaded with
| Magritte. Although you probably have good reasons for seperating the
| installation.
|
|
|
| You can use the latest build from my server, this is all the latest
| code loaded into Pharo 1.2:
|
| http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Magritte%202/ (Seaside +
| Magritte)
| http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Pier%202/ (Seaside + Magritte +
| Pier)
|
|
| Many thanks to you and to Nick for taking time to respond. I'll study
| the code and experiment with the tests before trying anything else.
|
|
| Miguel
|
|
| Lukas
|
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|
|
| Lukas Renggli
| www.lukas-renggli.ch
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