Re: [Moose-dev] Re: major repackaging planned

> Metacello supports "nested configurations" ... Seaside/Pier/Magritte/etc. all have long chains of project dependencies ...
>
> I am in Edinburgh until tomorrow night so I am willing to sit down with someone who has an example of the "moose problem" on their laptop and we can characterize the problem ... I do not know if this is metacello bug, a configuration error or something in between .... but given the complexity of the moose configuration I need to be able to talk to someone about the intent of the configuration so that I can identify the bug/misunderstanding/configuration error...
>
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]>
> | To: "Moose-related development" <[hidden email]>
> | Cc: [hidden email]
> | Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:06:45 AM
> | Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Moose-dev] Re: major repackaging planned
> |
> |
> | On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
> |
> | > Hi,
> | >
> | > On 25 Aug 2011, at 22:49, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> | >
> | >> this is ok for me.
> | >> Now I would like to make sure that we can reload moose.
> | >> I still do not understand why this is not possible.
> | >
> | > The problem is that we have nested configurations. To reliably
> | > version something, we need to version everything recursively. I am
> | > not aware of the support for this.
> |
> |
> | Did you check the metacelloToolBox: api?
> | Did you check the MetacelloBrowser?
> | I have to do that.
> |
> | So if nested version recursively does not work
> | we should either release more often
> | or at least version at the level of certain package
> |
> | Not been able to reload is not good.
> |
> | Stef
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> Great. Any news?
>
> Doru
>
>
> On 26 Aug 2011, at 12:00, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> I am with Dale working on the configuration of moose problem.
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 10:21, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>>
>>> Metacello supports "nested configurations" ... Seaside/Pier/Magritte/etc. all have long chains of project dependencies ...
>>>
>>> I am in Edinburgh until tomorrow night so I am willing to sit down with someone who has an example of the "moose problem" on their laptop and we can characterize the problem ... I do not know if this is metacello bug, a configuration error or something in between .... but given the complexity of the moose configuration I need to be able to talk to someone about the intent of the configuration so that I can identify the bug/misunderstanding/configuration error...
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> | From: "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>> | To: "Moose-related development" <[hidden email]>
>>> | Cc: [hidden email]
>>> | Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:06:45 AM
>>> | Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Moose-dev] Re: major repackaging planned
>>> |
>>> |
>>> | On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>> |
>>> | > Hi,
>>> | >
>>> | > On 25 Aug 2011, at 22:49, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>> | >
>>> | >> this is ok for me.
>>> | >> Now I would like to make sure that we can reload moose.
>>> | >> I still do not understand why this is not possible.
>>> | >
>>> | > The problem is that we have nested configurations. To reliably
>>> | > version something, we need to version everything recursively. I am
>>> | > not aware of the support for this.
>>> |
>>> |
>>> | Did you check the metacelloToolBox: api?
>>> | Did you check the MetacelloBrowser?
>>> | I have to do that.
>>> |
>>> | So if nested version recursively does not work
>>> | we should either release more often
>>> | or at least version at the level of certain package
>>> |
>>> | Not been able to reload is not good.
>>> |
>>> | Stef
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>>
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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> Hi,
>
> Currently, trying to load the ConfigurationOfMoose default leads to some sort of an infinite loop.
>
> Now, here is the bummer. The new changes in the Moose-related configurations did *not* change the versions I am trying to load. And yet, I still cannot load the configuration I want.
>
> The reason is most likely due to the problem of reifying *all* versions before loading only one of them. Thus, if one version that is not related to anything is broken everything is broken.
>
> I raised this issue before, and I strongly believe this is not the way to go. Loading should be light in that it should only reify the version we are looking for.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 29 Aug 2011, at 20:57, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
>> I am just back home. Dale found a number of errors in many configuration. Since Squeaksource was down, we couldn't go as far as we wished.
>>
>> I saved the configuration and I am now trying to load version 4dale of Moose to see if it loads.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 18:28, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>
>>> Great. Any news?
>>>
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 12:00, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am with Dale working on the configuration of moose problem.
>>>>
>>>> Alexandre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 10:21, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Metacello supports "nested configurations" ... Seaside/Pier/Magritte/etc. all have long chains of project dependencies ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in Edinburgh until tomorrow night so I am willing to sit down with someone who has an example of the "moose problem" on their laptop and we can characterize the problem ... I do not know if this is metacello bug, a configuration error or something in between .... but given the complexity of the moose configuration I need to be able to talk to someone about the intent of the configuration so that I can identify the bug/misunderstanding/configuration error...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> | From: "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> | To: "Moose-related development" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> | Cc: [hidden email]
>>>>> | Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:06:45 AM
>>>>> | Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Moose-dev] Re: major repackaging planned
>>>>> |
>>>>> |
>>>>> | On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>> |
>>>>> | > Hi,
>>>>> | >
>>>>> | > On 25 Aug 2011, at 22:49, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>> | >
>>>>> | >> this is ok for me.
>>>>> | >> Now I would like to make sure that we can reload moose.
>>>>> | >> I still do not understand why this is not possible.
>>>>> | >
>>>>> | > The problem is that we have nested configurations. To reliably
>>>>> | > version something, we need to version everything recursively. I am
>>>>> | > not aware of the support for this.
>>>>> |
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Did you check the metacelloToolBox: api?
>>>>> | Did you check the MetacelloBrowser?
>>>>> | I have to do that.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | So if nested version recursively does not work
>>>>> |    we should either release more often
>>>>> |    or at least version at the level of certain package
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Not been able to reload is not good.
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Stef
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
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>>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>
>>
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> There is indeed a kind of loop. Dale confirmed it this Friday.
> I have the impression that all of this stems from the default baseline. We should load the last defined version instead. But that was nit easy in the pre-MetacelloBrowser era.
>
> How do we proceed?
>
> Alexandre
>
>
>
> Le 29 août 2011 à 17:18, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Currently, trying to load the ConfigurationOfMoose default leads to some sort of an infinite loop.
>>
>> Now, here is the bummer. The new changes in the Moose-related configurations did *not* change the versions I am trying to load. And yet, I still cannot load the configuration I want.
>>
>> The reason is most likely due to the problem of reifying *all* versions before loading only one of them. Thus, if one version that is not related to anything is broken everything is broken.
>>
>> I raised this issue before, and I strongly believe this is not the way to go. Loading should be light in that it should only reify the version we are looking for.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Doru
>>
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2011, at 20:57, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>
>>> I am just back home. Dale found a number of errors in many configuration. Since Squeaksource was down, we couldn't go as far as we wished.
>>>
>>> I saved the configuration and I am now trying to load version 4dale of Moose to see if it loads.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 18:28, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great. Any news?
>>>>
>>>> Doru
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 12:00, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am with Dale working on the configuration of moose problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexandre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 10:21, Dale Henrichs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Metacello supports "nested configurations" ... Seaside/Pier/Magritte/etc. all have long chains of project dependencies ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in Edinburgh until tomorrow night so I am willing to sit down with someone who has an example of the "moose problem" on their laptop and we can characterize the problem ... I do not know if this is metacello bug, a configuration error or something in between .... but given the complexity of the moose configuration I need to be able to talk to someone about the intent of the configuration so that I can identify the bug/misunderstanding/configuration error...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> | From: "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> | To: "Moose-related development" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> | Cc: [hidden email]
>>>>>> | Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:06:45 AM
>>>>>> | Subject: [Metacello] Re: [Moose-dev] Re: major repackaging planned
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | > Hi,
>>>>>> | >
>>>>>> | > On 25 Aug 2011, at 22:49, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
>>>>>> | >
>>>>>> | >> this is ok for me.
>>>>>> | >> Now I would like to make sure that we can reload moose.
>>>>>> | >> I still do not understand why this is not possible.
>>>>>> | >
>>>>>> | > The problem is that we have nested configurations. To reliably
>>>>>> | > version something, we need to version everything recursively. I am
>>>>>> | > not aware of the support for this.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Did you check the metacelloToolBox: api?
>>>>>> | Did you check the MetacelloBrowser?
>>>>>> | I have to do that.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | So if nested version recursively does not work
>>>>>> |    we should either release more often
>>>>>> |    or at least version at the level of certain package
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Not been able to reload is not good.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> | Stef
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Moose-dev mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
>>>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
>>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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>>>
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