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Klaus D. Witzel

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

Google's hiring Smalltalk programmers and they run ads on my keywords 8-)
Try it yourself:

- http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=smalltalk&gl=US

After half a dozen or so of manual refreshs, you will see their Smalltalk
ad:

Smalltalk at Google?
Dig SmallTalk & object oriented
design? Get a Java XP job at Google
www.google.com/jobs/

I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their CPC bid
was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50 and 100. My
pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's own ads, sorry ;-)

Nevertheless, running this campaign was quite an experience :)

/Klaus

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:09:14 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I've just started a $$ Google AdWords campaign and would like to receive
> feedback when you see www.squeak.org appearing in a Goole ad (wording, ad
> position, whatever your impression, please let me know).
>
> I would appreciate if you DO*NOT*CLICK*THE*AD, because it costs me $$ per
> click, but if you cannot resist feel free to do so ;-)
>
> /Klaus
>
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Bert Freudenberg

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

Actually, It looks to me like they want Java programmers - although
they seem to recognize that Smalltalkers grok OO better than most.

- Bert -

On Nov 24, 2006, at 10:18 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:

> Google's hiring Smalltalk programmers and they run ads on my
> keywords 8-) Try it yourself:
>
> - http://www.google.com/search?
> ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=smalltalk&gl=US
>
> After half a dozen or so of manual refreshs, you will see their
> Smalltalk ad:
>
> Smalltalk at Google?
> Dig SmallTalk & object oriented
> design? Get a Java XP job at Google
> www.google.com/jobs/
>
> I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their
> CPC bid was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50
> and 100. My pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's
> own ads, sorry ;-)
>
> Nevertheless, running this campaign was quite an experience :)
>
> /Klaus
>
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:09:14 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I've just started a $$ Google AdWords campaign and would like to
>> receive
>> feedback when you see www.squeak.org appearing in a Goole ad
>> (wording, ad
>> position, whatever your impression, please let me know).
>>
>> I would appreciate if you DO*NOT*CLICK*THE*AD, because it costs me
>> $$ per
>> click, but if you cannot resist feel free to do so ;-)
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> News mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/news
>
>
>

Klaus D. Witzel

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

Yes, so it looks. And pity is, a job @ Google's for a Smalltalk programmer
equals a lost hand for the Smalltalk community, since she/he most likey
cannot dance with both parties :(

/Klaus

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:52:31 +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

> Actually, It looks to me like they want Java programmers - although they
> seem to recognize that Smalltalkers grok OO better than most.
>
> - Bert -
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2006, at 10:18 , Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>
>> Google's hiring Smalltalk programmers and they run ads on my keywords
>> 8-) Try it yourself:
>>
>> - http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=smalltalk&gl=US
>>
>> After half a dozen or so of manual refreshs, you will see their
>> Smalltalk ad:
>>
>> Smalltalk at Google?
>> Dig SmallTalk & object oriented
>> design? Get a Java XP job at Google
>> www.google.com/jobs/
>>
>> I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their CPC
>> bid was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50 and 100.
>> My pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's own ads,
>> sorry ;-)
>>
>> Nevertheless, running this campaign was quite an experience :)
>>
>> /Klaus
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:09:14 +0100, Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I've just started a $$ Google AdWords campaign and would like to
>>> receive
>>> feedback when you see www.squeak.org appearing in a Goole ad (wording,
>>> ad
>>> position, whatever your impression, please let me know).
>>>
>>> I would appreciate if you DO*NOT*CLICK*THE*AD, because it costs me
>>> $$ per
>>> click, but if you cannot resist feel free to do so ;-)
>>>
>>> /Klaus
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> News mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/news
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Yanni Chiu

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

In reply to this post by Klaus D. Witzel

Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their CPC
> bid was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50 and 100.
> My pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's own ads,
> sorry ;-)

Yikes! IMHO, that behaviour borders (if not crosses) the line
on rigging the game - sort of like a casino modifying the
odds to ensure the players always lose. In this case,
they let the market find the hotspots to advertise, then
they outbid you, and there's no way you can compete with
their bid (as you found out).

Matthias Berth-2

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

AFAIK, if somebody elses bid is higher, your ad will be placed lower
on the list, but still at the CPC you chose. Are you sure that you
can't limit the CPC and still get a decent position in the ads list?

Matthias

On 11/24/06, Yanni Chiu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> > I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their CPC
> > bid was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50 and 100.
> > My pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's own ads,
> > sorry ;-)
>
> Yikes! IMHO, that behaviour borders (if not crosses) the line
> on rigging the game - sort of like a casino modifying the
> odds to ensure the players always lose. In this case,
> they let the market find the hotspots to advertise, then
> they outbid you, and there's no way you can compete with
> their bid (as you found out).
>
>
>

Klaus D. Witzel

Re: [News] Google AdWords campaign targeting http://www.squeak.org

<ot>This may have been the idea, ages ago :) No, they tell you that you
don't qualify and either have to improve a so called "QS" or bid at least
the higher CPC. And only if you do the latter, they remove the "your
keyword is inactive" message and calculate your position. See for example
this discussion (look at the "boycotts" word, feedback is below the
article):

-
http://www.revenews.com/jimmydaniels/2006/07/inactive_keywords_the_google_a.html

It is often even so, that in your own region/country no ad from a
competitor is shown (i.e. advertisers aren't interested in your location)
but their [the competitor's] bid dictates the minimum to bid, always
globally. For example,

- http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=smalltalk&gl=ST

doesn't show Google's ad but

- http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&q=smalltalk&gl=US

does.</ot>

/Klaus

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:45:20 +0100, Matthias Berth wrote:

> AFAIK, if somebody elses bid is higher, your ad will be placed lower
> on the list, but still at the CPC you chose. Are you sure that you
> can't limit the CPC and still get a decent position in the ads list?
>
> Matthias
>
> On 11/24/06, Yanni Chiu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
>> > I run my squeak.org campaign now for 36 hours, during which their CPC
>> > bid was raised from pennies to bucks, between a factor of 50 and 100.
>> > My pockets are not deep enough to compete against Google's own ads,
>> > sorry ;-)
>>
>> Yikes! IMHO, that behaviour borders (if not crosses) the line
>> on rigging the game - sort of like a casino modifying the
>> odds to ensure the players always lose. In this case,
>> they let the market find the hotspots to advertise, then
>> they outbid you, and there's no way you can compete with
>> their bid (as you found out).
>>
>>
>>
>
>