Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins cog - slow monticello on osx
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On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ > > Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. > > I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. > Thanks for the information, Tudor. Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that they are using different frameworks (Carbon vs Cocoa) and i don't know too much details about the difference there. John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins cog - slow monticello on osx
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Tudor, can you give us some figures. Try to bench the code , like: [ Gofer new blah blah load ] timeToRun running in different VMs with same image. because the code which serving sockets are identical , so we should know for sure that there are some slowdowns or not, or maybe you was lucky enough to connect to the squeaksource when it was processing someone's uploads , or variance in network latency etc. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. |
Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins cog - slow monticello on osx
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Hi, I did not forget about this, but I did not have enough time yet. Cheers, Doru On 26 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ >> >> Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. >> >> I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. >> > > Thanks for the information, Tudor. > Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that > they are using different frameworks > (Carbon vs Cocoa) > and i don't know too much details about the difference there. > John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. -- www.tudorgirba.com "Yesterday is a fact. Tomorrow is a possibility. Today is a challenge." |
Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins cog - slow monticello on osx
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Hi, I looked a bit into the slowness of the OS X Jenkins Cog VM with Monticello. The problem exists and it is reproducible. I performed the following experiments using the following script: Time millisecondsToRun: [ 1 to: 100 do: [:x | | window | window := MCWorkingCopyBrowser new show. window delete ] ] I ran it on the same image using the following vms (on Mac OS X Lion): - Jenkins VM from 31.08.2011 - Cog VM r2489 I ran the scenario twice with two different setups: 1. I placed the image in an empty folder: Cog VM 2389: 4808 ms Jenkins VM: 7345 ms 2. I places the image in a folder that already had a large package-cache with 7400 mcz files: Cog VM: 4867 ms Jenkins VM: 50754 ms So: - even if there is no package cache, the Jenkins VM seems to perform 1.5 times slower - when there is a package-cache, it becomes hardly unusable. Cheers, Doru On 8 Sep 2011, at 12:10, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > I did not forget about this, but I did not have enough time yet. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 26 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> >> On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ >>> >>> Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. >>> >>> I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. >>> >> >> Thanks for the information, Tudor. >> Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that >> they are using different frameworks >> (Carbon vs Cocoa) >> and i don't know too much details about the difference there. >> John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Yesterday is a fact. > Tomorrow is a possibility. > Today is a challenge." > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." |
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this is a job for the VM profiler. I expect it will zero in on the cause PDQ. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
best, Eliot |
Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins cog - slow monticello on osx
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On 22 September 2011 19:32, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I looked a bit into the slowness of the OS X Jenkins Cog VM with Monticello. The problem exists and it is reproducible. > > I performed the following experiments using the following script: > > Time millisecondsToRun: > [ 1 to: 100 do: [:x | > | window | > window := MCWorkingCopyBrowser new show. > window delete ] ] > > I ran it on the same image using the following vms (on Mac OS X Lion): > - Jenkins VM from 31.08.2011 > - Cog VM r2489 > > I ran the scenario twice with two different setups: > > 1. I placed the image in an empty folder: > > Cog VM 2389: 4808 ms > Jenkins VM: 7345 ms > > 2. I places the image in a folder that already had a large package-cache with 7400 mcz files: > Cog VM: 4867 ms > Jenkins VM: 50754 ms > > > So: > - even if there is no package cache, the Jenkins VM seems to perform 1.5 times slower > - when there is a package-cache, it becomes hardly unusable. > so, your measurements telling that its actually could be related more to filesystem interaction(s) rather than to network. we need to ask an experts (Esteban and John) , what are difference between cocoa and carbon versions in file handling, that may cause such big slowdown. > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 8 Sep 2011, at 12:10, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I did not forget about this, but I did not have enough time yet. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 26 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> >>> On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: >>>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ >>>> >>>> Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. >>>> >>>> I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for the information, Tudor. >>> Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that >>> they are using different frameworks >>> (Carbon vs Cocoa) >>> and i don't know too much details about the difference there. >>> John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Yesterday is a fact. >> Tomorrow is a possibility. >> Today is a challenge." >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. |
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Hi, On 22 Sep 2011, at 19:59, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > On 22 September 2011 19:32, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I looked a bit into the slowness of the OS X Jenkins Cog VM with Monticello. The problem exists and it is reproducible. >> >> I performed the following experiments using the following script: >> >> Time millisecondsToRun: >> [ 1 to: 100 do: [:x | >> | window | >> window := MCWorkingCopyBrowser new show. >> window delete ] ] >> >> I ran it on the same image using the following vms (on Mac OS X Lion): >> - Jenkins VM from 31.08.2011 >> - Cog VM r2489 >> >> I ran the scenario twice with two different setups: >> >> 1. I placed the image in an empty folder: >> >> Cog VM 2389: 4808 ms >> Jenkins VM: 7345 ms >> >> 2. I places the image in a folder that already had a large package-cache with 7400 mcz files: >> Cog VM: 4867 ms >> Jenkins VM: 50754 ms >> >> >> So: >> - even if there is no package cache, the Jenkins VM seems to perform 1.5 times slower >> - when there is a package-cache, it becomes hardly unusable. >> > Thanks, Tudor for sticking with it :) > > so, your measurements telling that its actually could be related more > to filesystem interaction(s) > rather than to network. This is what I understood as well. > we need to ask an experts (Esteban and John) , what are difference > between cocoa and carbon versions > in file handling, that may cause such big slowdown. > > > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2011, at 12:10, Tudor Girba wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I did not forget about this, but I did not have enough time yet. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On 26 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Igor Stasenko wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: >>>>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ >>>>> >>>>> Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. >>>>> >>>>> I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the information, Tudor. >>>> Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that >>>> they are using different frameworks >>>> (Carbon vs Cocoa) >>>> and i don't know too much details about the difference there. >>>> John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Doru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>>> >>>>> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Yesterday is a fact. >>> Tomorrow is a possibility. >>> Today is a challenge." >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. -- www.tudorgirba.com "One cannot do more than one can do." |
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Check to see if your VM has ZipPlugin (Smalltalk listBuiltinModules). This has a big effect on Monticello performance. Dave On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:32:17PM +0200, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Hi, > > I looked a bit into the slowness of the OS X Jenkins Cog VM with Monticello. The problem exists and it is reproducible. > > I performed the following experiments using the following script: > > Time millisecondsToRun: > [ 1 to: 100 do: [:x | > | window | > window := MCWorkingCopyBrowser new show. > window delete ] ] > > I ran it on the same image using the following vms (on Mac OS X Lion): > - Jenkins VM from 31.08.2011 > - Cog VM r2489 > > I ran the scenario twice with two different setups: > > 1. I placed the image in an empty folder: > > Cog VM 2389: 4808 ms > Jenkins VM: 7345 ms > > 2. I places the image in a folder that already had a large package-cache with 7400 mcz files: > Cog VM: 4867 ms > Jenkins VM: 50754 ms > > > So: > - even if there is no package cache, the Jenkins VM seems to perform 1.5 times slower > - when there is a package-cache, it becomes hardly unusable. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 8 Sep 2011, at 12:10, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I did not forget about this, but I did not have enough time yet. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > On 26 Aug 2011, at 14:40, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > >> > >> On 26 August 2011 13:30, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Since a couple of weeks I am working with the Cog VM built on Jenkins: > >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ > >>> > >>> Here is a little feedback. It worked quite well, the only problem is that Monticello is really slow in the Moose image. This means that even opening the Monticello Browser takes several seconds. > >>> > >>> I thought that this might be induced by something in the Moose image, but if I try with the Elliot's VM (2489), it works blazingly fast. > >>> > >> > >> Thanks for the information, Tudor. > >> Apparently the difference between Eliot's VM and Cog-Mac-Cocoa that > >> they are using different frameworks > >> (Carbon vs Cocoa) > >> and i don't know too much details about the difference there. > >> John or Esteban may have better insights how to fix that. > >> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Doru > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>> > >>> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > > > "Yesterday is a fact. > > Tomorrow is a possibility. > > Today is a challenge." > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Sometimes the best solution is not the best solution." |
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:57 PM, David T. Lewis <[hidden email]> wrote:
Good point. I see it. Doru, do you ? This has a big effect on Monticello performance. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com |
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