Re: Underscore in 3.9
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Stef & Marcus,
would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners. This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image. Thank you very much in advance! /Klaus On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote: > Thank you Klaus. > Everything is fine now. > Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release, > shouldn't it? > > > On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi Ramiro, >> >> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote: >> >> > Hello everyone, >> > I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :) >> > Only underscores. >> > Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save. >> > I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate >> > this behaviour. Anyone can tell me? >> > Thanks >> >> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type >> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType. >> >> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences. >> >> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you >> desribed. >> >> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences) >> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also >> comes with cool tools pre-loaded >> >> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier >> >> /Klaus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners >> |
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Hi,
The syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences relate to the Shout package, which is NOT part of the 3.9 release. As you say, the preference values have been fixed in the squeak-dev image (which includes Shout), and are also fixed in the latest squeaksource version of Shout. Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has the old (confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap release with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok. Cheers, Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Cc: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Underscore in 3.9 Stef & Marcus, would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners. This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image. Thank you very much in advance! /Klaus On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote: > Thank you Klaus. > Everything is fine now. > Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release, > shouldn't it? > > > On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hi Ramiro, >> >> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote: >> >> > Hello everyone, >> > I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :) >> > Only underscores. >> > Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save. >> > I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate >> > this behaviour. Anyone can tell me? >> > Thanks >> >> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type >> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType. >> >> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences. >> >> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you >> desribed. >> >> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences) >> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also >> comes with cool tools pre-loaded >> >> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier >> >> /Klaus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Beginners mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners >> |
Re: Underscore in 3.9 - which default squeak library source?
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Andrew Tween píše v Út 24. 10. 2006 v 12:36 +0100:
> Hi, > The syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences relate to the Shout package, which > is NOT part of the 3.9 release. As you say, the preference values have been > fixed in the squeak-dev image (which includes Shout), and are also fixed in the > latest squeaksource version of Shout. > > Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has the old > (confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap release > with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok. > This is the problem for beginners - different latest versions of packages between SqueakSource and SqueakMap - confusing. Is SqueakMap really necessary for now? Is possible to remove SqueakMap and make SqueakSource (preconfigured HTTP MC package sources) default "software source" in base image? pf > Cheers, > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Cc: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Underscore in 3.9 > > > Stef & Marcus, > > would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* > Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners. > > This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image. > > Thank you very much in advance! > > /Klaus > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote: > > > Thank you Klaus. > > Everything is fine now. > > Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release, > > shouldn't it? > > > > > > On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hi Ramiro, > >> > >> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote: > >> > >> > Hello everyone, > >> > I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :) > >> > Only underscores. > >> > Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save. > >> > I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate > >> > this behaviour. Anyone can tell me? > >> > Thanks > >> > >> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type > >> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType. > >> > >> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences. > >> > >> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you > >> desribed. > >> > >> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other preferences) > >> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also > >> comes with cool tools pre-loaded > >> > >> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier > >> > >> /Klaus > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Beginners mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners > >> > > > > > > |
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Thank you Andy!
On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:36:30 +0200, Andrew Tween wrote: > Hi, > The syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* Preferences relate to the Shout > package, which > is NOT part of the 3.9 release. As you say, the preference values have > been > fixed in the squeak-dev image (which includes Shout), and are also fixed > in the > latest squeaksource version of Shout. > > Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has > the old > (confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap > release > with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok. > > Cheers, > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Klaus D. Witzel" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Cc: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Underscore in 3.9 > > > Stef & Marcus, > > would it be possible to change all syntaxHighlightingAsYouType* > Preferences to values that do not cause confusion for beginners. > > This was already done so for the Squeak-dev image. > > Thank you very much in advance! > > /Klaus > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:29 +0200, Ramiro Diaz Trepat wrote: > >> Thank you Klaus. >> Everything is fine now. >> Probably that defaullt setting should be changed before the release, >> shouldn't it? >> >> >> On 10/24/06, Klaus D. Witzel <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Hi Ramiro, >>> >>> on Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:30:23 +0200, you wrote: >>> >>> > Hello everyone, >>> > I started using the latest 3.9 image and there are no := there :) >>> > Only underscores. >>> > Even when I write := it turns into _ when I save. >>> > I am sure there is a very silly option out there to deactivate >>> > this behaviour. Anyone can tell me? >>> > Thanks >>> >>> Open Preference Browser and in the searchbox type >>> syntaxHighlightingAsYouType. >>> >>> This will show up three underscore and := related preferences. >>> >>> Unfortuntely the initial preferences in the stock 3.9 image are as you >>> desribed. >>> >>> Have a look at the developer's image, there this (and other >>> preferences) >>> are pre-set for meeting the expectations of developers, the image also >>> comes with cool tools pre-loaded >>> >>> - http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/seaside/pier >>> >>> /Klaus >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Beginners mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners >>> > > > > > > |
Re: Underscore in 3.9 - which default squeak library source?
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In reply to this post by Petr Fischer-3
> > Unfortunately, the SqueakMap version of Shout is not up-to-date, and has the old > > (confusing) default preference values. I will soon update the SqueakMap release > > with the latest from squeaksource, and then everything should be ok. > > > > This is the problem for beginners - different latest versions of > packages between SqueakSource and SqueakMap - confusing. Is SqueakMap > really necessary for now? Is possible to remove SqueakMap and make > SqueakSource (preconfigured HTTP MC package sources) default "software > source" in base image? I think it is questionable whether beginners should be using 3.9 (until it is released). My intention was to wait for the final release of 3.9, test Shout for a few days using it, fix any bugs, and then release it onto SqueakMap. And to repeat that process for 3.10 development. This works well for me, but I can understand how beginners might get confused. I like the Squeak-dev image because it solves these problems; everything is pre-installed - no need to worry about where to get stuff, and which versions to use. I would be interested to know what release strategies others have for their squeaksource / SqueakMap packages. Cheers, Andy |
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