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Re: [etoys-dev] [etoys-notify] [JIRA] Created: (SQ-1144) When exiting Etoys, you should be asked if you want to save your work

Kathleen wrote, on the developers list (*) :
> I agree with Bert, "explicit saving is the better trade off".

In the Quick Tips appendix of the new I3 book, the author says that
Sugar saves automatically to the journal on exit. In the older (2011)
version of Sugar that I have, this doesn't happen. Instead there is a
Journal icon for explicit save. Should we document somewhere (in the
I3 book or elsewhere) which versions this automatic save works in, and
which it doesn't?

Can the user tell merely by looking at the icons in the toolbar?

http://en.flossmanuals.net/learning-with-etoys-imagine-invent-inspire/quick-tips/

> ... there are already challenges using Etoys very small up/down arrows in script tiles. There are plenty of frustrations for
> learners ...

This happens for me too, and it is many years since I was a young child.

We should start a new thread about this in the Squeakland list, but it
would be really fantastic to see some teachers or children draw some
pencil and paper ( so-called lo-fi UI) mock ups for the way tile
scripting should or could work. The flexibility of pencil and paper,
and the desire to use Etoys, may even lead them towards something that
works with both mice and the XO3 touch screen (not to mention
trackballs, trackpads and interactive whiteboards.)

David

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Bert Freudenberg

Re: Created: (SQ-1144) When exiting Etoys, you should be asked if you want to save your work

On 24.12.2012, at 15:06, David Corking <[hidden email]> wrote:

Kathleen wrote, on the developers list (*) :
I agree with Bert, "explicit saving is the better trade off".

In the Quick Tips appendix of the new I3 book, the author says that
Sugar saves automatically to the journal on exit. In the older (2011)
version of Sugar that I have, this doesn't happen. Instead there is a
Journal icon for explicit save. Should we document somewhere (in the
I3 book or elsewhere) which versions this automatic save works in, and
which it doesn't?

Can the user tell merely by looking at the icons in the toolbar?

Yes, if she sees the "stop" button, it might save automatically. It has the Sugar-standard octagonal shape with a dark square inside:

If instead it shows a round "exit" button with a dark cross-mark on it, it won't save. This is the same icon as shown in Etoys on other platforms:

It mimics the "delete" halo handle. Also, on other UIs than Sugar, the cross is used widely as icon for closing a window.

- Bert -

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