Thanks for the reply, Casey,
The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing the Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they don't know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a potential problem. And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a browser... or at the very least connect to the net. I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the Squeak-dev ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production environment (which I admit I haven't actually defined what "production" means) thanks again, brad On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote: Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the place. I use it as a replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If you can be more specific about what's making you nervous about Etoys, that might help folks steer you in the right direction. If you pull up the preferences browser via the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly, and disable it, you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk programming environment (Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely* production (or maybe "product") worthy. |
Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;) You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal with some rough edges. Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning on a podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch using web technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely as the other stuff, so I don't know about the status of that effort.
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On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger
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Would that be Snap? http://snap.berkeley.edu/
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On 21-03-2013, at 10:16 AM, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote: >> Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;) >> >> You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal with some rough edges. >> >> Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning on a podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch using web technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely as the other stuff, so I don't know about the status of that effort. > > Would that be Snap? > http://snap.berkeley.edu/ No, Flash (hurk, blech). Scratch 2.0 is a Flash script. In the meantime I'm working on improving Scratch 1.4 performance on the Pi; so far roughly twice as fast just by tidying some ugly code. Lots more meat to grind on in there, and then there is a translator VM to implement. And faster bitblt; so far it looks like we can get somewhere between 3 & 10 times as fast for that, too. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim Fractured Idiom:- LE ROI EST MORT. JIVE LE ROI - The King is dead. No kidding. |
On 2013-03-21, at 18:27, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 21-03-2013, at 10:16 AM, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote: >>> Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;) >>> >>> You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal with some rough edges. >>> >>> Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning on a podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch using web technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely as the other stuff, so I don't know about the status of that effort. >> >> Would that be Snap? >> http://snap.berkeley.edu/ > > No, Flash (hurk, blech). Scratch 2.0 is a Flash script. True, but Snap is pretty much the same as Scratch 1.0 (plus the BYOB extensions), done in pure JavaScript. - Bert - |
At least Javascript can JIT on a Mac. Flash still doesn't do that AFAIK. I've got to check out this Snap thing. BYOB is cool.
On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 2013-03-21, at 18:27, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> On 21-03-2013, at 10:16 AM, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> On 3/21/2013 10:12 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote: >>>> Hi Brad, got it. Your IT dep't needs fired;) >>>> >>>> You can totally use Lively Kernel, but you may have to deal with some rough edges. >>>> >>>> Another possible option -- I remember John Maloney mentioning on a podcast that they were examining reimplementing Scratch using web technologies -- but I don't follow Scratch as closely as the other stuff, so I don't know about the status of that effort. >>> >>> Would that be Snap? >>> http://snap.berkeley.edu/ >> >> No, Flash (hurk, blech). Scratch 2.0 is a Flash script. > > True, but Snap is pretty much the same as Scratch 1.0 (plus the BYOB extensions), done in pure JavaScript. > > - Bert - > > |
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On 3/21/2013 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller
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Since no one has commented, shall I assume Squeak browser plugin is a no go?
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On 2013-03-22, at 01:36, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 3/21/2013 8:31 AM, Brad Fuller wrote: >> Thanks for the reply, Casey, >> >> The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing the Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they don't know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a potential problem. And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a browser... or at the very least connect to the net. > > Since no one has commented, shall I assume Squeak browser plugin is a no go? The plugin still works, but it has become increasingly harder to maintain as desktop browsers evolve. E.g. on the Mac it works only in Firefox at the moment, because it has not been updated for 64 bit yet. - Bert - |
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