Re: next steps

Ok, thanks

2011/5/26 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>

Hi Santiago,

Just to clarify: Inner nodes offer a scope, not a layout.

It's true that it can be used as a layout tool, but the essence is the graph nesting.

Cheers,
Doru

On 26 May 2011, at 14:48, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Look reasonable. But put a time limit on this task.
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 26 May 2011, at 08:09, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I done a little of research about how to visualize the inner nodes. Unfortunately, there is any layout in Protovis good enough to this task. So, I'm going to implement a new layout based on Pack (http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/ex/pack.html), which is similar. I think it could take a while because it's the first time that I'm working with javascript. When it is ready, I'll share the results.
>> Cheers
>>  Santiago
>>
>> 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
>> Yes. This is important that you understand how protovis works.
>>
>> Keep it going!
>>
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 25 May 2011, at 12:29, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so, I'm going to follow the same approach. First, I'll generate an example file of this case. After a few scenarios I'll think about how to implement the visitor and the automatic generation of the html file,
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> 2011/5/25 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
>>> Hi Santiago,
>>>
>>> This is cool. You're on the right track!
>>> Next steps, inner nodes. For example.
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
>>>       view nodes: (1 to: each).
>>>       view gridLayout ]
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>> With this, you will be able to export DistributionMap.
>>>
>>> Next, try to export a class blueprint.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alexandre
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 May 2011, at 06:59, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, sorry. I didn't explain myself. In the last attachments I made the change required by Alexandre (The edges extremities).
>>>>
>>>> 2011/5/25 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>>> this was for doru
>>>>
>>>> unarchiver on mac deals with a lot of zipped formats well.
>>>>
>>>> On May 25, 2011, at 12:48 AM, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about know?
>>>>> Santiago
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/5/24 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
>>>>> install unarchiver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 24, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, I cannot unrar the attachment on a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Doru
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Hi,

You should go for both options.

Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.

Cheers,
Doru

On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
>
> 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
>
> I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
>
> On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
>
> > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> >> What do you think is the best option?
> >> Cheers
> >>   Santiago
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Good start!
In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.

Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.

Alexandre

On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> Cheers
>   Santiago
>
> 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
>
> You should go for both options.
>
> Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> >
> > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> >
> > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> >
> > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> >
> > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > >
> > > Alexandre
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > >> Cheers
> > >>   Santiago
> >
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Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
An edge is a line

Cheers,
Alexandre


On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> You should see this

> <InnerEdges.png>
>
> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> Good start!
> In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
>
> Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > Cheers
> >   Santiago
> >
> > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > Hi,
> >
> > You should go for both options.
> >
> > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Doru
> >
> >
> > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > >
> > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > >
> > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > >
> > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > >
> > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > >
> > > > Alexandre
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>   Santiago
> > >
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Hi,

Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?

Cheers,
Doru

On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:

> Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
>        view nodes: (1 to: each).
>        view gridLayout ]
>
> 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> An edge is a line
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
>
> > You should see this
> > <InnerEdges.png>
> >
> > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > Good start!
> > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> >
> > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> >
> > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > Cheers
> > >   Santiago
> > >
> > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > You should go for both options.
> > >
> > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Doru
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > >
> > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > >> Cheers
> > > > >>   Santiago
> > > >
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> Currently you can select an inner node but you can't drag it. That is because the position of an inner node is determined by the position of its parent. However, I think that the implementation could be change properly.

Ok, let us know

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> 2011/5/30 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> Hi,
>
> Looks good. However, I think there is a problem: the inner nodes do drag together with the parent node, but I would also like to be able to interact with the inner nodes (e.g., drag or click). Is this a conceptual problem, or is it simple a missing implementation?
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> Cheers,
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> On 30 May 2011, at 18:22, Santiago Vidal wrote:
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> > Sorry, the tittle is wrong. They are inner nodes. I use this example code:
> > view nodes: (1 to: 5) forEach: [:each |
> >        view nodes: (1 to: each).
> >        view gridLayout ]
> >
> > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > Yes, this is what I see. But the image is named inner edges and I do not see any edge.
> > An edge is a line
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> > Cheers,
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> > On 30 May 2011, at 11:12, Santiago Vidal wrote:
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> > > You should see this
> > > <InnerEdges.png>
> > >
> > > 2011/5/30 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>
> > > Good start!
> > > In innerEdgesExampleWithAbsolutePosition.html I do not see any edge. Am I the only one? I use Safari and OSX.
> > >
> > > Can you try with _large_ visualization? Try to import the whole Moose and generate the visualizations.
> > >
> > > Alexandre
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> > >
> > > On 30 May 2011, at 10:52, Santiago Vidal wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I have been working in visualization examples of complexity, inner nodes, and distribution map. I  used for these examples the second option that we discuss previously. The examples are in the attachment.
> > > > Cheers
> > > >   Santiago
> > > >
> > > > 2011/5/27 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > You should go for both options.
> > > >
> > > > Start with 2, and for 1, you will create new MondrianLayouts that will only work directly with Protovis.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Doru
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> > > >
> > > > On 27 May 2011, at 19:02, Santiago Vidal wrote:
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> > > > > I don't know yet. In principle I'm going to implement the drag & drop behavior. In going to try to make an example using the Mondrian representation for Monday.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011/5/27 Johan Fabry <[hidden email]>
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> > > > > I agree with Alex, but I have a question: how do you plan to handle interactions, more specifically node replacement operations?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:22, Alexandre Bergel wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I feel we should opt for 2).
> > > > > > We should export the visualization using Protovis, not recoding Mondrian in Protovis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 27 May 2011, at 12:19, Santiago Vidal wrote:
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> > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > >> I have been working in the visualization of the inner nodes. In general I have 2 options to work with protovis:
> > > > > >>      • Be independent of the data by means of the use of Protovis Layouts.
> > > > > >>      • Copy the same visualization that is used by Mondrian. That is create a Protovis canvas of the same size that the canvas of Mondrian and place each shape in Protovis in the same location that in the canvas of Mondrian.
> > > > > >> While the first option is more modifiable than the second, it implies the creation of new layouts when they are needed.
> > > > > >> The main advantage of the second option is that the generated html file could be interactive (such as the example that I send before). However, it doesn't improve the graphics generated by Mondrian.
> > > > > >> What do you think is the best option?
> > > > > >> Cheers
> > > > > >>   Santiago
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