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Hi Alex,
Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)?
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Hi Usman,
Pablo did a lot of work on this, maybe he should have communicated a bit more :-) You can have a look at it: http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/ Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber. It would be great if you could assess what you actually need. Cheers, Alexandre On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? > Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)? > > Because soon we'll need it ;). > > regards, > > usman > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Usman, You can have a look at it: Very nice, I didn't know about its existence.
Ok, I'll let you know if that suits our needs when we start using it. In the meantime, will there be a way to construct roassal visualizations on the web without needing to use Amber? Do you plan to do it?
regards, Usman
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Hi!
Sorry for latency in my reply. > Ok, I'll let you know if that suits our needs when we start using it. In the meantime, will there be a way to construct roassal visualizations on the web without needing to use Amber? Do you plan to do it? Well, we can produce SVG files from Roassal @ Pharo. This means you are free to serve it via a web server directly or not. Try this: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | builder | builder := ROMondrianViewBuilder new. builder nodes: Collection withAllSubclasses. builder edgesFrom: #superclass. builder treeLayout. builder applyLayout. ROExportSVGCommand new exportView: builder view -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I think Amber cannot be avoided as soon as you want to interact with the visualization. Cheers, Alexandre > > > On Oct 21, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi Alex, > > > > Any updates of the project about constructing visualizations with Roassal for the web (with Amber?)? > > Did that project get accepted for GSoc? If not, do you plan to have a version of Roassal that could allow scripting visualizations on the web (with Seaside)? > > > > Because soon we'll need it ;). > > > > regards, > > > > usman > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks!
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote: abergel wrote Probably off topic, lately we worked with Alex to export the Roassal visualizations to the web (both SVG and HTML). The idea is open the possibility to export visualization with Seaside without requiring Amber. You can find some examples in Roassal 2.
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I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client. That made me do D3js directly as it was easier to get the results (but the RT (or RO at the time) object model is easier to understand) in the Seaside app.
As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway).
What is the roadmap there, if any? Phil On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:28 AM, philippeback [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote:
So just the image, no interaction, right? Not really what I meant... I find this comment intriguing. What are some examples of these light-years-ahead web visualizations? And why wouldn’t we want to “go there”? For me, the purpose of all these tools is self-expression, and if I’m using a visualization tool, I want to be able to express myself equally well whether on my local computer, or on a public-facing website. What am I missing?
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Hi Sean,
You can have a look at https://bitbucket.org/sergiomaass/roamber20 But it does not work well. Events are apparently not properly handled. We are working on an html exporter. A first prototype is available. Check the class RTHTMLExporterExample Alexandre On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote: > abergel wrote >> You can have a look at it: >> http://pestefo.github.io/roamber/ >> >> Only a subset of Roassal has been ported on Amber > > The link is broken. Is the code accessible somewhere else? Is its state the > same as described earlier in this thread? Thanks! > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-on-the-web-tp4716212p4773875.html > Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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D3 and friends. All web based. I used ROHtmlExporter and made my own based on it but it was having problems. Now, I haven't looked at RT aka RO 2 as I moved to D3 in the webapp. As for why keep the current thing going in pharo/non web is that it gives a powerful capability and I would say that is is better to make it excellent than to play catch up. HTH Phil Phil Le 22 août 2014 04:17, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> a écrit :
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Yes, and we will continue to push that very very hard in the coming year.
Alexandre On Aug 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Usman Bhatti <[hidden email]> wrote: > Probably off topic, lately we worked with Alex to export the Roassal visualizations to the web (both SVG and HTML). The idea is open the possibility to export visualization with Seaside without requiring Amber. You can find some examples in Roassal 2. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Roassal will have a reliable HTML exporter. The vision we have behind this effort, is to make sure that people can do their visualization in Pharo (therefore using their favorite tools to do this), and then export it to HTML. We have opted to spit plain SVG, with a little bit of JavaScript to handle the interaction. The benefice we will have from this, is to not rely on external library (e.g., D3, Protovis, RafaelJS), which means the webpage will be much faster to load.
Alexandre On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:26 PM, [hidden email] wrote: > As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway). > > What is the roadmap there, if any? -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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Look at the example given in RTHTMLExporterExample.
This still work in progress. It would be great if someone could help us by the way :-) Alexandre On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:41 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > D3 and friends. > > All web based. > > I used ROHtmlExporter and made my own based on it but it was having problems. Now, I haven't looked at RT aka RO 2 as I moved to D3 in the webapp. > > As for why keep the current thing going in pharo/non web is that it gives a powerful capability and I would say that is is better to make it excellent than to play catch up. > > HTH > > Phil > > Phil > > Le 22 août 2014 04:17, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> a écrit : > On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:28 AM, philippeback [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I've been using some exports but the look and rendering of the thing is not up to what one can do with the tick client. > So just the image, no interaction, right? Not really what I meant... > >> As a general feeling, RT is great for local visualisations but for web visualisations it is close to nowhere compared to the competition (not sure we want to go there anyway). > I find this comment intriguing. What are some examples of these light-years-ahead web visualizations? And why wouldn’t we want to “go there”? For me, the purpose of all these tools is self-expression, and if I’m using a visualization tool, I want to be able to express myself equally well whether on my local computer, or on a public-facing website. What am I missing? > Cheers, > Sean > > View this message in context: Re: Roassal on the web > Sent from the Moose mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Moose-dev mailing list [hidden email] https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev |
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