SVG Rendering Engine
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Hi!
I am looking for a SVG rendering example for seaside.
I would like to build a well integrated SVG rendering engine
that should work as an addon to Seaside.
I am not sure how to start. Maybe the RSS could be used as an example?
Thanks for any insights you can share.
Gerhard
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Gerhard Obermann wrote:
> Hi! > > I am looking for a SVG rendering example for seaside. Episode comes to mind - see http://www.inf.unisi.ch/faculty/lanza/Downloads/Prim07a.pdf for a paper on it. Paolo _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I think it is very important for Seaside to have a powerful SVG
library. I think it is so important that it should be part of the officially supported core packages and downloadable from the main Seaside repository (like Seaside-HTML5). SVG is getting more and more important these days, also in combination with AJAX. Any takes or contributors for such a project? Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Gerhard Obermann schrieb:
> Hi! > > I am looking for a SVG rendering example for seaside. > > I would like to build a well integrated SVG rendering engine > that should work as an addon to Seaside. is native rendering required, or are C libs ok? Using LibRSVG + Cairo is probably the easiest solution: http://library.gnome.org/devel/rsvg/stable/rsvg-Cairo.html At least for VW there's already a nice Cairo package in the public repository, don't know about LibRSVG and Squeak packages for Cairo. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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No, ill want a native rendering engine inside Seaside.
It should be easy do define and reuse SVG components like building
normal seaside components.
I think i can do the most off the basic SVG stuff by myself,
but ill need some help for the integration part.
e.g. which classes should be subclassed or where should i put then rendering engine
Also the possibilty to use a different rendering engine (e.g. Silverlight) should be taken into account!
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Gerhard
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Holger Kleinsorgen <[hidden email]> wrote: Gerhard Obermann schrieb: _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Lukas Renggli wrote:
> I think it is very important for Seaside to have a powerful SVG > library. I think it is so important that it should be part of the > officially supported core packages and downloadable from the main > Seaside repository (like Seaside-HTML5). SVG is getting more and more > important these days, also in combination with AJAX. > > Any takes or contributors for such a project? I've asked my colleague Marco D'Ambros (probably on this list) about Episode. Paolo _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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It seems to me that it will be specially useful if the SVG development is
done consistent with the HLA Standards (IEEE 1516). Any comments? Víctor ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <[hidden email]> To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine >I think it is very important for Seaside to have a powerful SVG > library. I think it is so important that it should be part of the > officially supported core packages and downloadable from the main > Seaside repository (like Seaside-HTML5). SVG is getting more and more > important these days, also in combination with AJAX. > > Any takes or contributors for such a project? > > Cheers, > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Can you provide more information because High Level architecture does
not really help? Stef On Apr 6, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Victor wrote: > It seems to me that it will be specially useful if the SVG > development is done consistent with the HLA Standards (IEEE 1516). > Any comments? > > Víctor > > ========================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <[hidden email]> > To: "Seaside - general discussion" > <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine > > >> I think it is very important for Seaside to have a powerful SVG >> library. I think it is so important that it should be part of the >> officially supported core packages and downloadable from the main >> Seaside repository (like Seaside-HTML5). SVG is getting more and more >> important these days, also in combination with AJAX. >> >> Any takes or contributors for such a project? >> >> Cheers, >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Here are a few links to the BOM (Basic Object Models) standard, which is
part of HLA. http://www.boms.info/ http://www.boms.info/standards.htm http://www.boms.info/faq.htm Victor ============================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephane ducasse" <[hidden email]> To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine Can you provide more information because High Level architecture does not really help? Stef On Apr 6, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Victor wrote: > It seems to me that it will be specially useful if the SVG development is > done consistent with the HLA Standards (IEEE 1516). > Any comments? > > Víctor > > ========================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lukas Renggli" <[hidden email]> > To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine > > >> I think it is very important for Seaside to have a powerful SVG >> library. I think it is so important that it should be part of the >> officially supported core packages and downloadable from the main >> Seaside repository (like Seaside-HTML5). SVG is getting more and more >> important these days, also in combination with AJAX. >> >> Any takes or contributors for such a project? >> >> Cheers, >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Victor schrieb:
> Here are a few links to the BOM (Basic Object Models) standard, which > is part of HLA. > > http://www.boms.info/ > http://www.boms.info/standards.htm > http://www.boms.info/faq.htm > sorry, but I don't see how this is related to SVG rendering. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit more on this. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Gerhard Obermann schrieb:
> No, ill want a native rendering engine inside Seaside. > It should be easy do define and reuse SVG components like building > normal seaside components. > I think i can do the most off the basic SVG stuff by myself, > but ill need some help for the integration part. > e.g. which classes should be subclassed or where should i put then rendering > engine > > ok. I was thinking about doing the SVG -> Bitmap rendering in Seaside, because no browser fully supports SVG, and it doesnt look this will change in the near future (e.g. http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/SVG_in_Firefox). So doing the Bitmap rendering could avoid compatibility issues. But high-quality rendering is... difficult. Supporting Silverlght/XAML probably requires an intermediate vector graphics model which can translate itself into SVG and XAML (maybe even OpenOffice SXD), but that doesnt sound enticing (the usual cross-platform / conversion problems). _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Seasiders! I have some trouble with the seaside classbrowser. Class and category information are displayed as usual, but the methods are not formatted correct. I just see cryptic things like: "$p$r$e$v$i$o$u$s$C$a$c$h$eCharacter crCharacter tab$"$A$n$s$w$e$rCharacter space$t$h$eCharacter space$v$a$l$u$eCharacter space$o$fCharacter space$p$r$e$v$i$o$u$s$C$a$c$h$e$"Character crCharacter crCharacter tab$^Character space$p$r$e$v$i$o$u$s$C$a$c$h$e" There's no difference between using firefox or ie7. Is there are seaside bug, or do I just have some inconsistency in my squeak image? Or do I just have to chance some configurations? Thanks! Sebastian ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> There's no difference between using firefox or ie7.
> Is there are seaside bug, or do I just have some inconsistency in my squeak > image? > Or do I just have to chance some configurations? What version of Squeak? What version of Seaside? Are you using Unicode Characters? Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Lukas,
I'm sorry, well it's: Squeak 3.9 latest update #7067 Seaside2.8a1-mu.540 How can I find out about unicode characters? Merci! Sebastian P.S.: Presentation is coming soon! Prototype is running! Thank's for the video link. They'll be flashed!!! ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Where do you see the disconnect?
Víctor =================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Kleinsorgen" <[hidden email]> To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine > Victor schrieb: >> Here are a few links to the BOM (Basic Object Models) standard, which is >> part of HLA. >> >> http://www.boms.info/ >> http://www.boms.info/standards.htm >> http://www.boms.info/faq.htm >> > sorry, but I don't see how this is related to SVG rendering. Perhaps you > could elaborate a bit more on this. > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Victor schrieb:
> Where do you see the disconnect? Where to begin? let's quote: BOM: ---- (from http://www.boms.info/) "The Simulation Interoperability Standards Organization (SISO) focuses on facilitating simulation interoperability across government and non-government applications worldwide." SVG: ---- (from http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/) "SVG is a language for describing two-dimensional graphics and graphical applications in XML" ---- The only common divisor I see is XML, but well, that doesnt count. I *really* don't see any direct connection between a simulation interoperatibility standard and a vector graphics description language. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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hi,
the following looks interesting: http://www.antigrain.com/ cheers, wolfgang Gerhard Obermann wrote: > Hi! > > I am looking for a SVG rendering example for seaside. > > I would like to build a well integrated SVG rendering engine > that should work as an addon to Seaside. > > I am not sure how to start. Maybe the RSS could be used as an example? > > Thanks for any insights you can share. > > Gerhard > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Oh, I see, The problem is in the BOM text. It's too generic. However, the
motivation is graphics manipulation, or so I interpreted it to be. Here is the way I put both together: SVG is about scalability. Standardization is one dimension of scalability. HLA and BOM deal with standardization. Voila! Standardized scalability!!! :-) Victor =============================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holger Kleinsorgen" <[hidden email]> To: "Seaside - general discussion" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: SVG Rendering Engine > Victor schrieb: >> Where do you see the disconnect? > > Where to begin? let's quote: > > BOM: > ---- > (from http://www.boms.info/) > > "The Simulation Interoperability Standards Organization (SISO) focuses on > facilitating simulation interoperability across government and > non-government applications worldwide." > > SVG: > ---- > (from http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/) > > "SVG is a language for describing two-dimensional graphics and graphical > applications in XML" > > ---- > The only common divisor I see is XML, but well, that doesnt count. I > *really* don't see any direct connection between a simulation > interoperatibility standard and a vector graphics description language. > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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with a GPL license....
On Apr 7, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Wolfgang Eder wrote: > hi, > the following looks interesting: > > http://www.antigrain.com/ > > cheers, > wolfgang > > Gerhard Obermann wrote: >> Hi! >> I am looking for a SVG rendering example for seaside. >> I would like to build a well integrated SVG rendering engine that >> should work as an addon to Seaside. >> I am not sure how to start. Maybe the RSS could be used as an >> example? >> Thanks for any insights you can share. >> Gerhard >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I am so confused, people are talking about two different things in the same thread. Most seaside can do is _produce_ SVG, its the browsers/plugin job to _render_ it, so things like Cairo and Multigrain don't belong in this discussion afaict. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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