Seaside on Wikipedia

Hey-

This should prolly go to the Seaside list, but I'm not on there, so  
please excuse the spamming...

I just came across the Seaside article on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside_%28software%29

I was wondering if some Seasider could go spiff it up to avoid  
deletion? I think Seaside is worthy of staying on Wikipedia, as per  
the guidelines and similar entries for similar webapps, but agree  
that the article could use some beefing up.  Maybe someone itching to  
do a little encyclopedic evangelizing for Squeak and Seaside would be  
up to the task?

Regards,
Aaron

2007/3/11, Aaron Reichow <[hidden email]>:
Wikipedia is (supposed to be) an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool.

Philippe

> Wikipedia is (supposed to be) an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool.

Yes, this was me causing this SPAM tag. Before there was a much longer
text that was so completely rubbish that I had to delete a lot of
stuff. And this is what remains ...

Lukas

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Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

eh?  The whole thing has been written by people with some ax to grind or view to pitch.

Philippe,

> Wikipedia is (supposed to be) an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool.

Perhaps my enthusiasm for Squeak is misplaced, but my use of the word  
"encyclopedic" was supposed to denote that.  The article there  
already is more marketing than useful information, as pointed out by  
Lukas, or whoever did the second part of that tag on the article.

Excuse me if my assumption was incorrect- I had thought Squeakers,  
but especially Seasiders, would like to see Wikipedia host a useful,  
informational, and relevant page on Seaside that explains what it is,  
what it does, how it does it, features comparisons with other similar  
systems, etc. Such an article benefits us and does all the  
"evangelizing" we need.  I apologize if you, Lukas and/or others  
think I was advocating for a piece of fluff full of word tricks to  
deceive people into thinking that Seaside is more worthwhile and  
interesting than it is.  I simply thought that the Squeak and Seaside  
communities would benefit from a decent, re-written Seaside article.

Regards,
Aaron


On Mar 11, 2007, at 5:03 AM, Philippe Marschall wrote:

I've made the language more NPOV, and added in a few references -
they're the best I could find on a quick Google, and I think they're
enough to allow a Wikipedia admin to understand that Seaside is a
noteworthy application. If anyone else has references to interesting
discussions of Seaside, or can improve my wording, please leap in!

> Lukas and/or others think I was advocating for a piece of fluff
> full of word tricks to deceive people into thinking that Seaside
> is more worthwhile and interesting than it is.

This was not really what I was saying. I ment that the article said a
few weeks ago said things that were mostly wrong, so I removed those
parts to cause any harm. In my opinion an article with false
information is worse than no-article or one that advocates something.

> I've made the language more NPOV, and added in a few references -
> they're the best I could find on a quick Google, and I think they're
> enough to allow a Wikipedia admin to understand that Seaside is a
> noteworthy application. If anyone else has references to interesting
> discussions of Seaside, or can improve my wording, please leap in!

Excellent, I like the way it rewritten now.

Thanks for the contribution.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

Lukas-

My apologies for spazzing out like I did.  I just don't want to see  
Seaside's article to disappear when it could be there for people  
looking around- having info about Squeak and Seaside out there is  
good for us!

Regards,
Aaron

On Mar 11, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> My apologies for spazzing out like I did.  I just don't want to see
> Seaside's article to disappear when it could be there for people
> looking around- having info about Squeak and Seaside out there is
> good for us!

I agree and I like the current implementation (text) a lot.

Maybe it would be better to ask for comments in the mailing-list, as
it happens now for the new design of the mailing-list ...

Cheers,
Lukas

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Lukas Renggli
http://www.lukas-renggli.ch